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April 18[edit]

Zero width character[edit]

In Blueprint (book) there's a zero width space character I can't seem to remove that keeps generating an error. Can someone please explain how I can fix this? IntoThinAir (talk) 03:52, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I've ran a few semi-automated tools over it and one of them seems to have fixed it. Otherwise, you just have to find where it is in the wikitext (I don't know of any better way than pressing the arrow keys until you find where you have to press it twice for the cursor to move) and then you can delete it like any other character. LittlePuppers (talk) 03:59, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
The error message [1] said exactly where it was: "zero width space character in |title= at position 56". That means 56 characters into the parameter value. This was right after the last visible character. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing this; I had tried to delete the character at the end of the title= text but I kept getting the error message for some reason. IntoThinAir (talk) 13:38, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Articles with no Talk page[edit]

How do I find all articles with no corresponding talk page? Is there a category for that? I can't find it.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:19, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: I can tell you for certain that there isn't a category. I don't think there is an easy way to find those. It may be possible with Wikipedia:Database queries. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 13:54, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Coffeeandcrumbs, you can post a request at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. It's probably quite easy to build it through AWB, although even quarry can easily get the job done. Lourdes 14:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Which infobox?[edit]

In the new article, Tima Shomali, a person with multiple roles in media; actor, producer, presenter, etc, the current "self-made" table should be a proper infobox, but which one? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:31, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Dodger67: {{Infobox presenter}} and {{Infobox writer}} exist, but the rest of her roles just point to {{Infobox person}}. The choice of infobox here isn't crucial. Compare the parameters and chose the one that has those you insist are important. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 13:49, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

How to add information on the Info box?[edit]


I am unable to edit the Infobox on the Wiki page.

Would like to add the CEO's name and list it under Key People on the Star Sports page. The CEO is Gautam Thakar.

Can we also add the founding year in this section?

Please help.


Saahil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saahilk (talkcontribs) 09:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Saahilk - What was the article in question? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 09:57, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I guess you refer to your edits to Star Sports (Indian TV network). You can only add parameters which are known by a template, in this case Template:Infobox television channel. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
If you look at Template talk:Infobox television channel#Key people you'll see that it was reported (more than 8 years ago) that the key_people parameter in that template isn't working. It appears to be mentioned on the documentation page but not included in the code. If it were working, you'd need to remember that parameter names are case-sensitive and that the underscore parameter is apparently part of the parameter name. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Following on from the above, I see that the "key_people" parameter was added to the documentation page last year without it being in the code. I have therefore reverted the inclusion on the documentation page. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:18, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia and large data files[edit]

At Jimbotalk I made a suggestion[2] that we start hosting things like the existing 3D models of Notre Dame (my suggestion for a new URL wasn't serious; if we actually did this it would most likely be on commons). In a response the claim was made that the files would be to big for us to handle. Which brings up the question, what is the largest data structure (file or collection of closely-related files) that any WMF project stores? I am guessing that it might be a video file or perhaps the history of a page that gets a lot of traffic like WP:AIAV. Is it true that the existing 3D models of Notre Dame would be considerably larger than anything we currently store? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Guy Macon, anything bigger than 4 GB would have to be a split file. Anything smaller can be uploaded using Upload Wizard or an equivalent. The largest closely related category I found looking that way is only about half a gig though, give or take.
On the other hand, apparently the DBAs will upload a hard drive if you file a ticket with a good reason. Soo... Unless it's more than several TB it's not totally out of the question? Alpha3031 (tc) 14:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
The hard drive contained 15,000 discrete files, though. What's under discussion here is 3D laser scans of buildings, which are multiple orders of magnitude larger than a hard drive let alone an image file; to take the scan of Notre Dame that prompted this discussion as an example, it contains over a billion individual data points, and "If architects ask for the data, it would have to be delivered in person, as it is too large to be transmitted over the internet". Assume, conservatively, that we're talking about each file being 1–2 TB; to put that in perspective, the full database dump of the entire revision history of English Wikipedia is "only" about 12 TB. ‑ Iridescent 14:58, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
That would be so different as to necessitate raising it as a new project I suspect - even if it were ultimately held within Commons, you'd need Foundation sign-off - at that cost, probably at a board level. (talk) 15:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I think the main argument against it would be that it'll be hard to use. Because even if we mail a hard disk to the datacenter, it's not going to be much use sitting there with nobody able to download it, and the WMF certainly can't afford to just mail a hard disk to anybody who asks.
Nobody is going to be buying a 100 TB hard drive, but a regular archival drive is 2 to 12 TB. If you have 1 mm^3 resolution on a 1 km^3 model that's still 20*3 bits. Use 64 bit ints instead, and that's still only 24 bytes. Add some full HDR colour and that's 30 bytes per data point, meaning if you had 20 billion of them it'll still only be 0.6 TB. Building ~ hard drive.
But you wouldn't download a car. (much less a building) The only way this would be useful is if we could download a portion of the model and get some use out of it. Alpha3031 (tc) 15:48, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Very enlightening. I will ask again when 100TB/S internet connections and 100EB storage devices become common. :)
"There was 5 exabytes of information created between the dawn of civilization through 2003, but that much information is now created every 2 days, and the pace is increasing" --Eric Schmidt, (2013)
--Guy Macon (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I saw the thread on Jimbo's talk page and didn't respond there although some thoughts were running through my head. I have enormous respect for the contributors who are pointing out that this is not a little deal it's a big deal. I appreciate that but I think it's worth pursuing, even though pursuing it requires quite a bit more work than simply adding a few servers. To pick up and expand on the point made by Alpha3031, with some rare exceptions, we shouldn't ever have to download the entire file. (Arguably the current situation comes closest to that exception but those people will be dealing with financial resources that are considerable.)
Why might one be interested in a laser scan of Notre Dame? One can imagine many situations but let's just pretend for a moment that some architectural student is interested in one of the many gargoyles. That student could achieve their goals by downloading a tiny portion of the entire file. While it might be a fairly large file in its own right, it would be a tiny fraction of 1% of the entire file and plausible to do over an Internet connection. What this means, of course, is that one cannot have a single contiguous file containing all of the information — there has to be some organized way of breaking it into components that make up the whole, but which can be individually identified and downloaded in part.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:50, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Use cases for free (as in free speech) data is not limited by one's imagination, but by the internet's. For instance, I would assume a significant fraction of people with 3D printer access would be interested by having all sorts of buildings scans etc. available (though maybe not at millimetric resolution).
That being said, it is not our job (or the Foundation's) to design protocols for 3D scan file handling. Either they already exist, or they do not. If they do, it becomes a technical and economical question for the WMF, not for us the community, and especially not for us the Help Desk. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:23, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting that it should be the responsibility of the foundation or Wikipedia editors to design such a protocol. It's my belief virtually anyone interested in such a large data file will (with rare exceptions) be interested in a small subset of the full file, whether that be a small specified location or a lower resolution of the entire file, so the creators of this dataset will almost certainly have to grapple with protocols for delivering meaningful subsets. Assuming that protocol is created, it means that while the problem of storage space will have to be addressed, the problem of pipe size and speed for downloading will not be a problem.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Capitalization of article names that are also filenames[edit]

The page title at ads.txt is lowercase, but Security.txt is capitalized. Should they both be capitalized or both be lowercase?

robots.txt, sitemap.xml and favicon.ico are redirects, but if they ever became page titles the same question would apply.

Also. when you click on robots.txt, the page says [ (Redirected from Robots.txt) ] followed by [ "robots.txt" redirects here ], so it gives you both versions. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I went ahead and lowercased security.txt because pages describing it seemed to use lowercase. Technically, all titles start with a case insensitive letter that defaults to uppercase. robots.txt has been lowercased, not that you can tell without going to the redirect page with redirect=no or whatever. Basically I think the typical style is to do it the way RSes do it or the official way to do it. Alpha3031 (tc) 16:13, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! In the specific case of filenames used on case-sensitive systems (which includes most web hosts) the usual result is that only one spelling -- capitalized or lower case -- works. This almost always results in most of the sources using the spelling that works, but if we ever run into a stuation where most of the sources use a spelling that doesn't work when typed in as a filename, we should ignore the sources and use the "official" spelling if we know what it is.
Not sure what to do if an article title is the same as a filename on a case-insensitive system. We use the titles AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS even though DOS will happily accept config.sys, Config.sys, or cOnFiG.sYs. That's probably OK for DOS, where all upper case is traditional.
URLs are an interesting variation. The domain name is never case-sensitive, but the rest of the URL might be. (But watch what happens when you cut and paste the following link into your browser: ) In general, Windows filenames are case-preserving but not case sensitive, but sometimes they are.[3] I would have to check, but IIRC HTML is never case sensitive but parts of XHTML are.
I think we need a general rule: if you type it into a computer and it works no matter what the case, use the case that most sources use. If you type it into a computer and it only works if you get the case right, use the case that works no matter what the sources use. If you don't know, go with the sources. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
(Slightly OT) There is a nasty little "gotcha" that some versions of Samba can catch you with. If you have a *nix server which is case sensitive, then it is reasonable to have two files, say MyData and mydata, both in the same directory. If this directory is exported over Samba to a Windows box (nominally case-preserving) the Windows box will always select the one it finds first, regardless of case. In my last job this exact issue arose and caused considerable chaos for a while. Moral: ensure all users of networked directories assume case insensitivity! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:23, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

The Secrets of Jesus[edit]


i received this message from you: AmigoUfo, I would like to request that you not continue to add the Secrets of Jesus to the list of Christian video games. I have specified numerous reasons on the page, but if you have any trouble understanding them, or don't agree with my logic, please message me here.

This is a fourth warning, and Wikipedia has a four warning policy before someone should be reported to administrators for page vandalism. I'm cautioning you to not add your game to the list again, considering multiple people have taken it down. I understand personally the struggle of getting a word for your game in the public, but Wikipedia is not a page for personal advertisement. If you have any questions, contact me.

Sorry, i didnt see your message and i thought there is an error and therefor i added every time my game. But i still dont understand why? Could you tell me why?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmigoUfo (talkcontribs) 16:02, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@AmigoUfo: The editors who reverted the addition of your game explained in the edit comments whey they were removing the game. By the way, I started a discussion on the talk page related to the notability of the games, which may affect the one you are trying to add. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:42, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

From draft to article[edit] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicallive2019 (talkcontribs) 18:17, 18 April 2019 (UTC) Good morning! I created a page of a famous musician, now he is in the Draft status, does this mean that the page has already been passed to people from Wikipedia for consideration, or should I send a request for it in order for the page to become public available under the Article status? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicallive2019 (talkcontribs) 18:15, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Musicallive2019: Add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft to submit it for review, and then someone will take a look at it in somewhere between a few hours and three months. Please check back periodically, as there's a good chance there will be things that whoever reviews it will want you to address. LittlePuppers (talk) 18:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@LittlePuppers: Thank you very much, your advice has saved my time!

Paul Newman.[edit]

Some morons have been editing Paul Newmans (actor)page with disgusting comments. Can someone please deal with this and poss block the IP address of him/her responsible ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I've asked an admin to look at this. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Logo Update for WWOR-TV right away[edit]

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- this same request was made as "/* Digital television */ Logo Update for WWOR-TV" here on 7 April 2019 - WWOR-TV has been protected for persistent disruptive editing 18 April 2019‎ - Epinoia (talk) 21:42, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Most Rev valerian okeke[edit]

I wanted to start a talk about this page. I was told it is blocked to avoid vandalism. Kevinchuks (talk) 05:49, 19 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinchuks (talkcontribs) 23:13, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kevinchuks: Are you referring to Draft:Valerian Okeke? It was deleted twice due to copyright. If you are asking about a different page, please provide a link. RudolfRed (talk) 23:34, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

April 19[edit]

How to find articles in need of short descriptions[edit]

I've recently discovered the shortdesc helper, a delightful little tool; and I would like a list of articles which (a) do not have short descriptions, and (b) really, really need them (e.g., top- or high-importance articles). Is there any way to generate such a list? Eman235/talk 08:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Eman235 PetScan is your friend: this query lists high-importance articles with no (locally defined) SD, and similarly for any other category (adjust depth depending on the extent of the subcategory tree): Bhunacat10 (talk), 09:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, that's just what I was looking for! Eman235/talk 09:19, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Need Guides for Knowledge / investor for a tech idea.[edit]

I have a TECH idea but i am neither from Software or hardware field nor i have any high circle friends just a common man who does 9-5 job who has big responsibility of his family and a small dream to bring this idea into reality so it can help others with that idea.

I don't know whom to approach for the guidelines, Who to look for to make this idea into reality. Fingers crossed looking for some help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabbirmnj (talkcontribs) 12:11, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Shabbirmnj: the guys over at the computing help desk may be able to provide guidance to external resources. See WP:RD/C. -Arch dude (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Wrong picture for Dan Kemp bio. Picture is of Jim Davis, otherwise known as Papa Ewing of "Dallas" fame.[edit]

Dan Kemp bio has wrong picture! Picture is of Jim Davis. Davis was well known as Papa Ewing of "Dallas" fame until his sudden death of a heart attack.D00z3nbur1 (talk) 18:02, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@D00z3nbur1: Fixed Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 18:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Create disambiguation page for songs named "Six White Horses"??[edit]

There are at least three different songs with the title "Six White Horses". I have outlined them in the current article Six White Horses -- but doesn't this call for a disambiguation page? If so, how do we create one? I have never done that before. Cordially, BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 18:18, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@BuzzWeiser196: there are competing philosophies for dab pages. If one song were overwhelmingly more notable, then many editors prefer that one to keep the main title. Others (including me) disagree and feel that the dab page itself should have the main title in all cases. To achieve this in this particular case first change the title of the current page by moving it, e.g., to "Six White Horses (Johnny cash song)". This will leave a redirect at "Six White Horses." A redirect is just an article with a tiny amount content. Edit that article to change its contents into your dab page, using another dab page as a worked example. Make sure that each of the three entries has at least one blue link. Now, click on "what links here" to see all the links to "Six White horses": there are only a few. Go to each of mainspace articles (not talk or help) and edit those links to point to the correct one of the three pages. Now remove the little section you added the current article. -Arch dude (talk) 18:47, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 11:33, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Why was my article on Daniel Strachman deleted[edit]

The article has been up for many years and someone named Athaenara deleted it. Please put it back — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackstein4665 (talkcontribs) 20:09, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Please restore the page about Daniel Strachman. I dont understand why it was deleted.

Thank you -Daniel Strachman — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jackstein4665: The article was deleted under the promotional speedy deletion criteria. In looking at it(administrators can see deleted articles), I would agree, as it was almost totally unsourced and reads as little more than a social media-type listing you might find on LinkedIn or Facebook. It also seems that you have some sort of connection to him, if you do, you must declare it per the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy. The fact that the page existed for some time doesn't mean it can remain if it does not meet standards for sourcing. You are free to request a deletion review, but I don't think it would be successful. 331dot (talk)

Pep Flags Article[edit]

Edit Request

I am affiliated with the team that was formally apart of Carson High School. As of this year, they are longer tied to the school. I have added to the “talk page” time and time again but am constantly hit with “add sources”. And I’m not sure what source you would need considering, I’m the person who heads this team.

And truthfully, this has been an ongoing battle with school about “misrepresentation” so I would like for you to remove “Carson High School” from anything related to this year. Including competition history. We are CARSON FLAGGIES. and it is disrespectful to give credit to a school that we are not representing.

Furthermore, you should allow it to be accessible to everyone in the pep flag community. Considering we ARE the source for all this information. And if you are going to continuing adding MY team to your Wikipedia. The information needs to be correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abcdepepflagstuv (talkcontribs) 23:58, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Abcdepepflagstuv: You should understand a few things here. First, whether there is an article or mention of your team on Wikipedia is not up to you or your team. It is up to editors who notice significant coverage of your team in independent reliable sources who then choose to write about it. Second, your account's edit history indicates no edits to any article talk page, and the talk page about the school has no edits about this subject.
Third, we have no way of knowing if you are the head of the team or not- you (as am I) are just two people on the internet as far as each other are concerned. Even if you could prove that you were, we cannot accept your word about any content related to it, as all information must be verifiable in an independent reliable source. Your word is not sufficient, and you cannot sit by a phone for as long as Wikipedia exists to take calls from readers to confirm the information. Lastly, if there is incorrect information about your team here, we want to know what it is, but you need to review the conflict of interest policy and make edit requests detailing any changes you want to see on the article talk page(as you say you have done). 331dot (talk) 00:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
The article is available for any interested user to edit(unless it is ever protected from editing), but they must conduct themselves per Wikipedia policy, especially if they are associated with the team. 331dot (talk) 00:09, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is supposed to be a reliable source of information. Yet that page has no reliable sources? So why all of a sudden, you can’t take people’s word for it when that’s what most of that page is based on. It even says at the top of the page “this page has no reliable sources”. It’s just based off of the community posting on there. Which has now been taken away. There’s been edit requests in the talk, since March. That have yet to be taken care of. So what sources would you like so that we can respect the team and the school? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Independent reliable sources. Remeber to log in before posting. As I said, there are no posts to any article talk page from your account or IP, nor does the article talk page have any edits about this subject. Unless you are discussing a different article. 331dot (talk) 00:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
And as I said the user's talk page, Even if the group is now independent of the school that does not justify removing the mention of the school from the video article. The group was associated with the school at the time. (The group was in the Gwen Stefani video for Hollaback Girl and the user is attempting to remove mention of the school.) Meters (talk) 03:12, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
The March 25 edit request on Pep flags was answered on the same day it was made with "Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made." Meters (talk) 03:17, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

April 20[edit]

Thank you![edit]

Thank you from a real person who has to check facts and ensure that the information i distribute to my children and friends is based in fact. I appreciate everything that the admins, staff,etc. do everyday to distribute only information that has been verified and coincide with other people places or things that we all know to be facts. THANK YOU ALL!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:C101:56AC:1D45:E2F2:8135:FE9C (talk) 06:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Difficulty using harvnb template[edit]

I'm struggling to make a short-cite work on the climate sensitivity page. The reference after: The IPCC literature assessment estimates that TCR likely lies between 1 °C and 2.5 °C does not link to the full citation given in the sources section. I've tried a lot of different options and no idea what to try next. Could anybody more technically skilled than me have a look? Many thanks! Femke Nijsse (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@Femkemilene: I said ref= harv in the full citation.[4] "Collins et al. 2013" now links there. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Because in the {{harvnb}} you listed four individual authors but in the {{citation}} template you had |ref={{harvid|IPCC AR5 WG12013}}. Editor PrimeHunter changed that to |ref=harv. I removed that because {{citation}} sets |ref=harv automatically. I suspect that this problem is a carry-over from the silliness that confuses matters by naming title abbreviations as authors: |author=IPCC AR5 WG1 and |author=IPCC AR4 WG1 in the top two citation templates in §Sources but then, in the separate chapter {{citation}} templates, redefines that same 'author' name in |title=IPCC AR5 WG1. Yeah, don't do that. When taken in isolation (and these citations may be because cs1|2 create metadata that can be / is scraped by automated citation tools) the isolated citation claiming that 'IPCC AR5 WG1' will be wrong and mislead readers using that scraped data.
Trappist the monk (talk) 10:54, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Why has shading appeared on part of an edit I have done ?[edit]

Why has shading appeared on part of an edit I have done ? It was part of a paragraph of text I added. I assume I have made some sort of syntax error, how to fix it ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewHart500 (talkcontribs) 08:45, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@AndrewHart500: Fixed. There was a space in front of the very first character of your edit, which will produce the shaded area of text. Also fixed some curly apostrophes to straight ones. Some copy-editing may be necessary to make the language a little more neutral and encyclopedic. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 09:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
AndrewHart500 Sorry, the whole section will need to be revised as it was copied verbatim from the magazine interview cited. We can't do this because it is regarded as a copyright violation. Please rewrite the section in your own words, still citing the source, and adopting a neutral tone, taking particular care with regard to anything we say about living people: Bhunacat10 (talk), 09:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Bhunacat10, Face-smile.svg good catch. Eagleash (talk) 09:33, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Letter K - Index & Help Desk Templates ?[edit]

How fast do we want to kill-off Wikipedia®

And there's no letter K on the startup index of subjects. Wikipedia will see a big spurt of newcomers when volunteers and staff do a thorough house cleaning. See what's old, new, passé.

"Kraut Rock" LOVE it. More than the new Grunge description of lifestyle and musician techniques. But now I can't find it. Wikipedia must have thousands of fans and contributors overseas in Europe, the Middle East, almost everywhere. They might be willing and anxious to help. Are there really Five Levels for making format and content suggestions for Wikipedia? I've thought it's more easy going tossing around ideas. Not five stages and levels. Anyway, thank you all for listening.

Jim Setbacken104.220.57.85 (talk) 09:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Jim. Do you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? I am not sure what you mean by a startup index, but you can find a list of all Wikipedia articles beginning with K at Special:AllPages/K. And we do have an article about Kraut rock. You can comment on that article on its talk page at Talk:Krautrock.--Shantavira|feed me 10:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
It's true that Wikipedia:Glossary had the J and K run together in the alphabetical contents bar (now fixed). But that glossary is only for special terms used within the Wikipedia project. To find Wikipedia articles, the commonest way is just to use the "Search Wikipedia" box present on every Wikipedia page. There are over 5 million articles now, so any search structure is bound to be complex. There is the alphabetical listing for any letter or group of letters, as the post above says. Then there is Portal:Contents, then there are systems of categories, indices, outlines, (dare I mention) portals...: Bhunacat10 (talk), 13:40, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Michelle McKinney Hammond[edit]

content of proposed article

Michelle Ayodele McKinney Hammond (born August 6, 1957) is the best-selling author of over 40 books, with over two million copies sold worldwide. Her best-selling titles include What To Do Until Love Finds You, The Diva Principle, Sassy, Single and Satisfied, 101 Ways to Get and Keep His Attention, and Secrets of an Irresistible Woman.

She is also an ordained minister, international speaker, singer/songwriter, actress, producer and television presenter as well as an ambassador for Compassion International.

Michelle has spoken for churches, conferences and corporate events from EWomen, Women of Virtue, The Potters House, World Changers, New Birth, The Crystal Cathedral, KICC, to Walmart.

A gifted songwriter/vocalist, Michelle has recorded four solo CD’s, It’s Amazing, Let’s Go In, Come Let Us Worship, and With Love.

She is the visionary and pastor of Relevance, a unique music ministry in Ghana, West Africa. Blending rock, reggae and jazz with African rhythyms have created their own genre of music called “Rockspiration”. They have written, produced and released 3 CD’s Forever, The Greatest Gift and For Love’s Sake.

She is an Emmy Award-winning co-host of the Total Living Networks’ television talk show Aspiring Women she co-hosted for ten years as well as over 100 episodes of TCT’s 3D Woman.

Michelle McKinney Hammond has most recently appeared in Roma Downey and Mark Burnett’s productions of Women of the Bible on Lifetime, and A.D. The Bible Continues. She has done inspirational segments on their new network and LIGHT tv. She has also appeared on countless television shows as including Bill Maher’s Politically Incorrect, E Channel’s “Soap Talk,” NBC’s The Other Half, The 700 Club, The James Robison Show, Better TV and BET’s Oh Drama! And has appeared as a regular relationship segment on WGN Morning News.

Michelle has also been featured in several African movies and television series and starred in the Ghanaian film Candle in The Wind. She recently completed writing, producing and starring in her first film entitled First Love, a romantic comedy.  She has appeared on the cover of, written, or been featured in articles in magazines such as Today’s Christian Woman, Precious Times, The Plain Truth, Gospel Today, Spirit Led Woman, Discipleship Journal, Shine, Essence, Ebony, Jet, Black Enterprise Magazine, The Chicago Tribune, The Associated Press and The New York Times. Following a devastating accident that left her bed-ridden, 3 surgeries later Michelle wrote her first bestseller, What To Do Until Love Finds You for Harvest House Publishers. She has emerged as a highly-respected author, Bible teacher, speaker and singer, and relationship/empowerment coach reaching a diverse audience nationally and internationally.

From 2007-2010 Michelle hosted several D.I.V.A. (Divine Inspiration for Victorious Attitude) Conferences and cruises in the U.S. These were a series of intensive empowerment workshops.

Michelle credits her songwriting ability to several mentors, Morris “Butch” Stewart, Paul David Wilson, Denise Mitchell and Sandra Crouch. Working with Morris and Paul crafting jingles for top clients in advertising was the perfect training ground for songwriting. Many collaborations occurred giving her a great catalog of songs. This expanded when she teamed up with Laney Stewart, “Kuk” Harrell, and Ken Hale landing them a song publishing deal with Famous Music Publishing, now Sony Music.

She credits Terri McFaddin Solomon, P. “Bunny” Wilson and Luther Blackwell as her spiritual mentors who impacted the way she studied the word of God and eventually began her writing career.

The Early Years

Born Michelle Sharon Branker, in London, England August 6, 1957. She relocated to Barbados, West Indies at the age of two. She attended St. Gabriels’ Girls School until she relocated to the United States at age seven settling in Muskegon, Michigan. She attended Froebel Elementary, East Grace Loftis Elementary, Muskegon Heights Junior High, and Catholic Central High School. Adopted by her mothers’ new husband, William McKinney her last name was changed to Michelle McKinney. Upon being reunited with her natural father George Hammond, years later her middle name was changed to her original name Ayodele and the name Hammond was added to her name. Thus, her present name Michelle Ayodele McKinney Hammond. She worked at The Muskegon Chronicle while attending Muskegon Junior College studying Graphic Arts. She then moved to Chicago, Illinois and attended Ray Vogue School of Design and completed a course on Commercial Art. 1979-1991 Michelle spent 15 years as an award-winning art director/copywriter/producer at the largest AA advertising agency in the US, Burrell Communications. Her clients included Coca Cola USA, McDonald’s, Procter & Gamble, GMC and Ford Motor Company. She worked with numerous celebrities including Aretha Franklin, Earth,Wind and Fire, Nancy Wilson, Don Cheadle, Ray Parker Jr., New Edition, The Temptations, Al Jarreau, Kool and the Gang, Peabo Bryson, Kristoff St. John, Richard Lawson, Dennis Haysbert. The O Jays and many more. She won numerous awards including a USA Television Award, Windy Award, a Gold & Bronze Philo, and over 20 CEBA (Creative Excellence in Black Advertising Awards)

Michelle has sung or performed voice-overs for national radio and television commercials for Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Sprite, Ford Motor Company, Crest Toothpaste and Extra Sugar-Free Gum.


Michelle resides in Ghana, West Africa and travels extensively throughout America and internationally, speaking to men and women from all walks of life.

Books Authored by Michelle McKinney Hammond

• What To Do Until Love Finds You, Harvest House Publishers • Secrets of an Irresistible Woman, Harvest House Publishers • The Power of Being A Woman, Harvest House Publishers • Sassy, Single and Satisfied, Harvest House Publishers • Why Do I Say Yes When I Need To Say No, Harvest House Publishers • 101 Ways to Get and Keep His Attention, Harvest House Publishers • The Diva Principle, Harvest House Publishers • The Diva-tudes, Harvest House Publishers • A Sister Girls’ Guide to Living, Loving and Overcoming, Harvest House Publishers • If Men Are Like Buses How Do I Catch One?, Multnomah Publishers • How to Be Blessed and Highly Favored, Waterbrook Press • Get Over It and On With It, Waterbrook Press • In Search of the Proverbs 31 Man, Waterbrook Press • How to Be Found by the Man You’ve Been Looking For, Harvest House Publishers • Finding the Right Woman for You, Harvest House Publishers • Where Are You God?, Harvest House Publishers • Lessons From A Girls Best Friend, Harvest House Publishers • A Sassy Girls Guide to Loving God, Harvest House Publishers • How To Avoid the 10 Mistakes Single Women Make, Harvest House Publishers • If Singleness Is A Gift What Is the Return Policy?, Thomas Nelson Publishers • Single-minded Devotion, Harvest House Publishers • How to Make Love Work, Faith Words/Hachette Publishing • How to Make Life Work, Faith Words/Hachette Publishing • How To Get Past Disappointment, Harvest House Publishers • How To Be Happy Where You Are, Harvest House Publishers • How To Get The Best Out Of Your Man, Harvest House Publishers • A Woman’s Gotta Do What A Woman’s Gotta Do, Harvest House Publishers • Diva-nomics, Tyndale Publishing • The Real Skinny on Losing It, Tyndale Publishing • The Real Deal on Love and Men, Harvest House Publishers • Getting Smart About Life, Love and Men, Harvest House Publishers • Secrets to a Man’s Heart, Harvest House Publishers • Right Attitudes for Right Living, Harvest House Publishers • What Women Don’t Know and Men Don’t Tell You, Busara Press • The Last Ten Percent, Harvest House Publishers • Playing God, Harvest House Publishers • The Real Deal on Overcoming Heartache, Harvest House Publishers • Release the Pain, Embrace the Joy, Regal Publishing • Wounded Hearts, Renewed Hope, Harvest House Publishers • Intimate Thoughts, Whispered Prayers, Harvest House Publishers

Music CD’s

• It’s Amazing • Let’s Go In • Come Let Us Worship • With Love • Forever- Relevance featuring Michelle McKinney Hammond • The Greatest Gift- Relevance featuring Michelle McKinney Hammond • For Love’s Sake- Relevance featuring Michelle McKinney Hammond


• Emmy • Gold Philo • Bronze Philo • U.S. Television Commercial Award • Windy Award • Over 20 CEBA (Creative Excellence in Black Advertising) Awards • 1st Runner-up Miss Muskegon Pageant

Featured in Publications

• Todays’ Christian Woman • The Plain Truth • Ebony Magazine • Essence Magazine • Jet Magazine • Black Enterprise Magazine • Black Excellence Magazine • Precious Times Magazine • Discipleship Today • Shine Magazine • Gospel Today • Spirit Led Woman • The Chicago Tribune • The New York Times • Associated Press

Television Appearances

• Aspiring Women-TLN Network, cohost for 10 years • 3D Woman- TCT Network, cohost

Guest Television Appearances

• Women of the Bible, Lifetime • Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher, NBC • Oh Drama!, BET • SoupTalk, ET • The Other Half, NBC • The 700 Club • 100 Huntley Street • The James Robison Show • Better TV • Joni Table Talk, Daystar Network • Celebration, Daystar Network • It’s A New Day


• Bloodline • Candle in the Wind • Love Regardless • Single and Married • In God We Trust • Getting Married

TV Series

• Poisoned Bait • The Devils Work • Boys and Girls • The Antonios

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tega Elizabeth Baah (talkcontribs) 14:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tega Elizabeth Baah:The help desk is not the place to submit an article. Please take a look at WP:YFA. -Arch dude (talk) 15:02, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Search block logs[edit]

Can they be searched?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Bbb23, what do you wish to search, precisely? See Special:Logs. WBGconverse 16:02, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
The text.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
No. T14984 lying idle for over a decade. WBGconverse 16:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
There is a parent task at phab:T120764. Also, it appears that User:Cenarium fixed a related issue in 2016, phab:T20954, and it got deployed then. So the issue of log searching hasn't been stuck forever. There was some mention of having to create new indexes, which was a deterrent to going ahead. There was a 2015 Community Wishlist entry at meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2015/Special pages#Improve Special:Log. EdJohnston (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
The core issue of searching log texts have been stuck forever, as to the developers' end. 20954 is linked to the broader goals. WBGconverse 17:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Muting already-read text on a frequently-visited page[edit]

Is it possible to mute (hide, make smaller or lighter) text on a frequently-visited page so that when the same logged-in user returns to it the next time, any new text added since the last time stands out more clearly? I'm not talking about mainspace articles, but examples that would help me would be the Reference Desk pages and this Help Desk. I've been using the "skip to bottom" shortcut to start reading the newest material and then scrolling up until I recognize a section I've read previously, but there should be a more elegant way to do this.--Thomprod (talk) 19:10, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Thomprod, I usually browse pages like that using my watchlist, which has changes grouped by page (setting in Preferences > Recent changes > Advanced options > Group changes by page). That gives me a handy "Changes since last visit" link that I can click to take me to the diff, and also makes my watchlist less cluttered with the frequently changing pages. Alpha3031 (tc) 04:54, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

April 21[edit]

Categories for navigation boxes[edit]

I seem to remember that there is a policy stating that the only categories that a navbox should have are categories for templates. Where can I find such a policy. Please {{ping}} me when you respond. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Question about arbitration enforcement logs[edit]

Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log/2019#Pseudoscience says:

  • [username] is indefinitely topic-banned from from Flood geology and related pages from 20 February 2019. 04:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
  • [username] is indefinitely blocked for violation of the above topic ban immediately after an unsuccessful appeal and sundry attendant disruption. 22:05, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

(Username redacted because this question isn't about the specific user or his ban/block. It is about what gets logged and what doesn't get logged.)

However, the block log of the user in question shows that the block was lifted on 28 March 2019. Should this be reflected in the AE log? It is easy enough to check a user's block log and discover that they had the block lifted, but how do I know that the topic ban has not been lifted as well?

Or is this just a clerical error, meaning that lifting a block or ban should be logged but somehow this wasn't done in this case? If so, where do I go to ask that the log be updated? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:43, 21 April 2019 (UTC)