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February 16[edit]

Agatha Christie video games template[edit]

I added some casual games to the template about {{Agatha Christie video games}}. Not all users were satisfied with it, because the casual games had no separate articles, but dedicated sections in the articles about the novels. Are they OK or they should be deleted?--Carnby (talk) 13:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Carnby: This is a content dispute and should really be discussed at the template talk page to reach agreement with other interested editors. You have already initiated a discussion of sorts via edit summaries and I notice you stated your intention to take it to the village pump. Please continue to discuss, preferably at the talk page; you should start a discussion in general terms, E.g. "I propose that... etc." and add pings to other editors. But, please keep the discussion in one location. Thank you. Good luck. Eagleash (talk) 14:34, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

3dmdfgwefwer (talk) 13:47, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[edit]

Can I have a wikipedia license? How to buy? I'm a auther and holding the copyright, can I ask wikipedia to pay me the price to licensing my content to wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3dmdfgwefwer (talkcontribs) 16 February 2018 13:47 (UTC)

3dmdfgwefwer Wikipedia doesn't issue licences to individuals. Our content is publicly licensed and in general anyone is free to use it as they wish (see Copyrights). Likewise, if you contribute anything yourself to Wikipedia, it has to be original work – not copied from anywhere else; you receive no payment and you agree that it may be re-used by anyone. This page will tell you more about contributing.
On another point: I can't understand why you have copied a Wikipedia article on to your user page. If you see a copyright problem with that article, please report it as explained here, or if you find that difficult just come back to this Help desk and state as clearly as you can what problem you see. You don't have to have a user page at all, but if you do set one up it is normally used to give a few brief details about yourself – we have an array of userboxes available. Finally, when you sign your posts please do so at the end of your post, not in the heading: Noyster (talk), 14:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I've deleted the user page as a copyright violation, for which it had already been tagged. It also looks sammy on a user page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Every time you add anything to Wikipedia, you do so by hitting the button called "Publish changes" at the bottom of the edit screen. When you do that you are agreeing to our terms of use. The text on the edit page right above that button reads "By publishing changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license." So you already licensed it to us. The terms of use include your agreement that the material you submit does not violate anybody else's copyright. -Arch dude (talk) 18:26, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Logo update and change[edit]

Looking to change the logo on to its new one.

While I've had my account for months, I haven't made the required 10 edits to be autoconfirmed and upload the newer logo. It's non-free use and I'd like to keep the existing file's non-free use description at and simply upload the new file.

Is this possible without uploading to commons or requesting a file upload? I'll be making a series of edits to the article copy and links in the coming days, but would like to change the logo first.

Matthew.Davidson (talk) 14:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

If you make the text changes you intend to make, you'll hit the 10 edit mark, and then your account will be autoconfirmed more-or-less instantly. Just take care of the logo issue at that point. This is your eighth edit. Two more and you'll be fine. --Jayron32 15:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you—didn't realize I was at eight. Much appreciated. Matthew.Davidson (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Matthew.Davidson: Logos should be uploaded to Wikipedia rather than to commons. Eagleash (talk) 15:26, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
@Matthew.Davidson: Non-free logos are only permitted if they are actually used on a page. So when you replace the old logo with the new one, the old one will be deleted automatically after a week or so. --Gronk Oz (talk) 15:51, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I've added the image of the new logo, but it now displays a compressed/distorted version of the old image and file, even though the proper image appears in the file history. Unsure how to resolve. Matthew.Davidson (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz:

Resolved—browser cache issue. Widened px. Thank you all. Matthew.Davidson (talk) 17:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Pomfret School page[edit]

Apparently, there is no editor assigned to this page. I rewrote the original version a couple years ago and monitor it. If it would be helpful to list an editor, I'd be happy to serve. I'm a graduate of the school, served on the Alumni Executive Committee, and serve as my class Secretary. Jacques Bailhé 15:59, 16 February 2018 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbailhe (talkcontribs) 15:59, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

There are no assigned editors. If you are interested in the article, you are welcome to work to improve it. Read WP:COI RudolfRed (talk) 16:07, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) A Wikipedia page does not have an individual assigned editor, see WP:Page ownership. Pages are edited by consensus among any unconnected editors. Editors with a potential conflict of interest can make suggestions on the article talk page, supported by references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Confusing article[edit]

Hi. This article is not about our project at all

It confuse our partners from another countries. Can it be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't see why it should be deleted, but the title can be changed by moving the article. What title would you suggest? What project is it being confused with? Dbfirs 16:24, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Archiving Talk Page[edit]


For some reason, I think I am archiving my page wrong. I am trying to use ClueBot and I set the parameters for 90 days, which should mean some November posts would be archived, but it is not working. I was wondering if I am doing the coding wrong. Would someone mind checking out my talk page? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Looks like the parameter was set as age=2360, so it was only archiving things that were 5 years old. I switched it to 90 days, so that should now work. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: For ClueBot archiving, the "age" is a number of hours - see User:ClueBot_III/ArchiveThis#Required_parameters. I think the problem is that the archiving was set up less than an hour ago, and the bot may not have got round to it yet. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:34, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks @Joseph2302: and @John of Reading: I guess I just expected it to happen instantly. If nothing happens by tonight I'll post back here. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 16:37, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Apologies for my mistake. Yes it runs overnight (usually between 00:00 and 05:00 UTC). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Drug Lords and Serial Killers are NOT Celebrities[edit]

Why does Wikipedia allow names of serial killers, terrorists, school shooters, and drug lords to be listed along with the deaths of celebrities? Those types are anything but celebrities and their lives nor their deaths should be listed along with those who tried to do something worthwhile with their lives. In face, they deserve no mention at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

We don't call them celebrities, and I'm not aware of us having a "celebrity deaths" feature. Neither do we have a policy of damnatio memoriae. DuncanHill (talk) 17:33, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedians don't make value judgments on who "deserves" to be mentioned based on what they've done with their life. If their life (and death) is notable, we cover it. --NeilN talk to me 17:37, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't see where Wikipedia calls those people celebrities. I also see nowhere that "celebrity deaths" is shown at Wikipedia. If you can direct us to the problem, we can maybe find a solution, But I am not aware of either of these coming up at all. --Jayron32 17:37, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Wikipedia reports on the lives (and deaths) of people who are notable in the Wikipedia sense. I.e. they have received sufficient coverage in reliable independent sources for them to be deemed worthy of an article. This applies to persons in all walks or aspects of life; good, bad, saints, evil monsters. If they've had the coverage, they will be someone people will search online for and therefore they are included. Lists of deaths are no different and will include all persons with articles who died in the period written about. Eagleash (talk) 17:39, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Naming someone doesn't make them a celebrity. If what they did is abhorrent, it could be argued that naming them is shaming them. But I don't think this type of project aims to make value judgements, as another editor has already pointed out. I think we primarily aim to provide good quality information which means information substantially supported by sources. Bus stop (talk) 17:56, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

An RfC for List of totalitarian regimes? Help with wording[edit]

The article List of totalitarian regimes has some significant problems. It has no references, and at a recent AfD the closing admin said "the criteria for inclusion needs [sic] to be beefed up and better defined" - in fact, there are no obvious criteria. The article history is strewn with reversions, unexplained additions or removals, and there has certainly been some sockpuppetry. I have thought about opening an RfC on the article, but am having trouble thinking of a suitable question to pose in it. Any suggestions please? DuncanHill (talk) 19:09, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I think it's probably a worthwhile list, if we could clean it up. The biggest issue to me seems to be ensuring that every entry has reliable sources to back it up; and that reliable source should be scrupulously scholarly (i.e. journal articles and/or books by respected historians and/or political scientists) and NOT things like editorials and newspapers and blogs, etc. The criteria for inclusion should solely be "a reliable source has classified this as a totalitarian regime" with the caveat I just noted. I also think one step to fix it up would be to remove the categorization headers and just leave it as an alphabetical (or chronological, that works too) list of such states; we could probably also tighten up the tables by removing the "ideologies" and "end goals" sections; that feels a little too OR-ish. --Jayron32 19:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

ARCA Space Corporation[edit]

ARCA Space Corporation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Not quite sure what to do in this case.

Came to this Wikipedia article after seeing the company's videos on YouTube. They are ... rather odd. Not sure that they have ever actually succeeded at doing anything other than building mockups, and putting out promotional material. The Wikipedia article reads like the company website ... long explanations that do not go anywhere.

Seems like they had one or two rockets, that flew - long ago - and not well. Lots of failures, and lots of funny business. They are a very small outfit, prone to radical changes in direction between projects, without succeeding at any. (Or at least there is no proof of success.)

There is a lack of sources to back up any of their claims.

They show a UAV, on the ground, of dubious design. (Translation: I rather doubt it can fly.)

Their latest video series is of the construction of their new AeroSpike rocket. OK, I think the AeroSpike (from Rocketdyne) is quite interesting. Thing is ... rockets are tricky. You want to build and test smaller engines before building larger engines - especially with a new design. They do not seem to be testing any of their engines. With their AeroSpike they went straight to a full-size engine on a full size rocket.

Assuming what they show is not just a mock-up. One portion of their video showed fabricating what looked like an aluminum plate, and bolting to the edge of the rocket nozzle. (Aluminum has a low melting temperature, and seems rather likely to melt in the nozzle.)

I am not sure whether this outfit is a fraud, or just some very wooly folk.

How is this sort best dealt with on Wikipedia?

pbannister (talk) 23:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

pbannister, sorry you haven't had a reply. Refs 18 & 25 in the article indicate that you are not the only one to have had doubts about this company's management. However, bear in mind that it's not the job of us Wikipedia editors to form our own assessment of this company's products, techniques or business methods. We follow what "reliable sources" have to say. Much of this article is cited only to the company itself (linked via web archives) and if no independent sourcing can be found for such content, it could be flagged with {{third-party inline}} or similar, or preceded with "According to the company's website..." As to the external sources cited, those of us who don't read Romanian are at a disadvantage in assessing these. A search for more independent coverage in English would be the way forward: Noyster (talk), 14:17, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
noyster Thanks. I have two uncertainties here.
One is at the level of slightly less basic article editing. Have not in past had need to use the fancier features of Wikipedia, so unclear what is appropriate.
Second, they entered Google Lunar X Prize, so *some* mention seems appropriate. On the other hand, there is no verification of their claims, or at least none that I can find. As a guess, there was a local rocketry club in Romania about a decade ago, and ... no proof of what they did.
If writing the article on ARCA, could mention Google Lunar X Prize entry, link to the company website, and note the absence of reliable sources or proof to the company claims. And that is all we could reliably say. Would make a much shorter article. :)
I am somewhat hesitant to do such violence to the article, but at present, the article is quite misleading. pbannister (talk) 20:05, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi again pbannister. Our article on Google Lunar X Prize says that ARCA entered, but later withdrew, so that's not much of a claim to fame.
Articles are often better for being shorter. I expect we would keep any significant information that does have a reliable, independent source, either in the article already or that can be found reasonably easily. We do say in our sourcing guidance that "The organization's own website is an acceptable ... source for ... most basic facts", but in this case there seems reason for taking that source with more than a grain of salt. We could say in the article "The company stated on its website that ...", but we wouldn't go on to say "there is nothing to corroborate this" unless a "reliable source" had published a comment to that effect. Our own comments as Wikipedia editors belong on the article's talk page.
It's remarkable that no-one ever put a "welcome" or anything else on your talk page in all the years you've been editing. I've placed a table of links to our "Help" pages there, which I hope will guide you to anything you need in editing Wikipedia: Noyster (talk), 20:43, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

February 17[edit]

Stoopid Monkey to Stoopid Buddy[edit]

Hi there — I’ve submitted this to the talk page but have had no response yet. Trying to get further help.

I’m repping Stoopid Buddy Stoodios here and need some help updating this article for Stoopid Monkey.

In 2011, Stoopid Monkey owners Matt Senreich and Seth Green partnered with John Harvatine IV and Eric Towner of Buddy Systems Studios to merge and found Stoopid Buddy Stoodios. Robot Chicken was produced by Stoopid Monkey until Season 6 in 2011. Any production 2011 or later is produced by Stoopid Buddy Stoodios, NOT Stupid Monkey. Robot Chicken Seasons 1-5: Stoopid Monkey. Seasons 6-present: Stoopid Buddy Stoodios.

There is no page for Stoopid Buddy Stoodios yet. Hoping to edit this page first before creating the new Stoopid Buddy Stoodios page. Can someone help edit this information and remove all credits post 2011?

You can find this information and more specific details on the website, specifically in the founder biography sections.

Any help appreciated. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davsnothere (talkcontribs) 00:03, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Davesnothere. I fear that you have a (very common) misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia has no role whatever in the publicity or online presence of Stoopid Buddy, Stoopid Monkey, or any other person or organisation. If we have an article about Stoopid Buddy, it will be Wikipedia's article about them, it will not belong to them, and while anybody in the world may edit it, people connected with the studios will be strongly discouraged from doing so directly. The article should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the studios have chosen to publish about it in reliable places: Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what any organisation says about themselves, or what their employees and associates say about them.
So, what should you do? First, read about our policies and advice for editors with a conflict of interest; and if you are in any way paid in your role, make the mandatory declaration for paid editors. Then, if you think there should be changes to the article Stoopid Monkey, suggest them on the talk page Talk:Stoopid Monkey. Make them as specific as possible ("change xxx to yyy") and accompany them with references to reliable published sources, preferably sources unconnected with Stoopid Monkey. If there is little traffic on that talk page, you can add {{edit request}} (with the double curly brackets) to your suggestion, which will put it on a list of suggestions awaiting attention.
As for creating an article on Stoopid Buddy; you are discouraged from trying to create one, but not forbidden. It is worth you investigating to see if it meets the criteria for notability - that is, if several people unconnected with it have chosen to publish in depth about it in reliable places. If you can't find some of these, then give up: it is not worth you or anybody wasting time on an article which will not be accepted. If you can find some high-quality sources, then an article is possible. It is difficult for an inexperienced editor to create a new article, and doubly difficult for one with a conflict of interest; but if you want to try, start by reading Your first article. My suggestion would be to try and find somebody at a relevant WikiProject who is willing to work with you: perhaps at WT:WikiProject Record Production. Good luck.--ColinFine (talk) 10:13, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

How to edit an erroneous Wikipedia entry that is locked[edit]

The entry in the Willis Tower attributes the design of the building to Fazlur Khan. In fact Khan was the structural engineer. Bruce Graham was the architect. This is widely known as undisputed fact. Khan and Graham worked together on both Willis and the Hancock and were friends. There gravestones are side by side in Graceland Cemetary in Chicago. It is a horrible slight to Graham that his name would be stricken from The authorship of the tower probably due to the zealous advocacy of Khan’s daughter Yasmin, who failed to recognize that the engineer and architect worked side by side with mutual respect. Graham held an engineering degree from Case Western as well as an Architecture degree from the University of Pennsylvania. He spoke both languages. This entry is an insult to a great architect. It is mean spirited. Fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arhos1019 (talkcontribs) 04:42, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't follow your objection; the article states clearly "Their team of architect Bruce Graham and structural engineer Fazlur Rahman Khan designed the building..." What do you want changed? --Jayron32 05:35, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@Jayron32:, @Arhos1019:, the lead section of Willis Tower included the claim "The building is considered a seminal achievement for its architect Fazlur Rahman Khan". I've removed the line, as that particular claim is not supported by the reference cited. Rojomoke (talk) 06:29, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Update image on page for band[edit]

Hi -

Trying to update photos for

Members have changed.

Apparently I do not have permission?

Can you please assist?

I took the photo and I am the copyright holder.

Thank you kindly in advance.

Barbara Colcino — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhaynet1 (talkcontribs) 05:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Bhaynet1: where were you trying to upload them to? I see you have an account at Wikimedia Commons, but you have never (successfully) made a contribution there. Maproom (talk) 13:48, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Unsuccessful AfD entry[edit]

An AfD discussion on the article Realm (magazine) made through Twinkle by a user doesn't seem to have been successful. Could someone please look into it? Thanks, MT TrainDiscuss 06:18, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

MT Train, The AfD page wasn't created successfully, perhaps because Rogermx didn't give a reason for his AfD in the Twinkle dialogue. I've reverted for now, but obviously Rogermx, or anyone else, can nom again including a reason Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:38, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you for fixing that. Was afraid that I would botch it further if I tried anything. Rogermx (talk) 13:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Sygnature Discovery[edit]

Hi there,

I have created the following page:

How can I get it from draft to published?

Thanks Filipa — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilipaAntunes23 (talkcontribs) 11:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

FilipaAntunes23: if this draft is ever to be accepted as an article, you (or someone) will need to find some reliable independent published sources that discuss its subject, and cite them, to establish that the company is notable. Maproom (talk) 12:37, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
FilipaAntunes23, if you have a conflict of interest, you must declare it. If you work directly or indirectly for the company, or otherwise are acting on its behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. If you are paid directly or indirectly by the organisation you are writing about, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Help desk. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Help desk|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:51, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Template link[edit]

Hello. I don't know why links of  Korea ({{ihw|Korea|unification}}) and Korea  ({{ihw-rt|Korea|unification}}) and is different. Where can I change it? Would you tell me, if you know it. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 12:25, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

In order to get the korean team the way that the other 7 participants are, where it simply goes to the team rather than something specific to this olympics, it needs to use KOR rather than spelled out Korea.Naraht (talk) 22:39, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@Naraht: I didn't mean it. My point is the template {{ihw}} is a template about "ice hockey team". But the template {{ihw}} is different from {{ihw-rt}}, as follows.
Thanks. --Garam (talk) 07:53, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Not sure. The question is, which one should it be?Naraht (talk) 13:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
@Naraht: I hope to change the link in template " Korea" from Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics to Korea women's national ice hockey team, like template "Korea ". Thanks. --Garam (talk) 13:31, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Jack Kesy Bio Page[edit]

"Personal life" includes information populated against the Wikipedia policy cited:

"This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Take extra care to use high-quality sources. Material about living persons should not be added when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism. See more information on sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard. If you are connected to one of the subjects of this article and need help, see this page."

New York Post is a talboid and there is no other reliable sourcing cited.

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:47, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I've removed that section from the article. Even the New York Post article doesn't claim that he was found guilty. Maproom (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

AFD Removal[edit]

Can you please re-review and remove AFD from Ninja Singer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahulmehta942 (talkcontribs) 15:30, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Rahulmehta942, it was a proposed deletion which is now gone, it was not an AfD. I've moved the page to the correct title, but I don't think he is notable anyway, so I've initiated an AfD now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:44, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

My edits were reverted by a new page reviewer - How can I contact that person to revert back?[edit]

Robert Underwood Johnson

I edited my great grandfather's page and a new page reviewer reverted everything. I principally used his autobiography. The old page is seriously incomplete. I've never edited before and am guessing that I needed to cite the autobiography as the source - though it is listed in his publications. What do I do now?!?!? Cathy Deely — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbdeely (talkcontribs)

It looks like the reverting editor explained their objections both when doing the revert [1] and again on your talk page [2]. Unfortunately that user is currently blocked for unrelated reasons so further discussion witht hem is unlikely at the moment. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:26, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

God Gave Rock and Roll to You[edit]

I have been trying to improve a Wikipedia page but another user (User:Walter Görlitz) has been telling me that my edits are “unconstructive” and reverting my edits. The article in question is God Gave Rock and Roll to You. I believe that they are constructive.

He may have a point about the added headings and I am willing to acknowledge that, but the point is that the song is by a band called Argent and all other versions are covers, even though they are better known today. The article needs to make it clearer that it is an Argent song and do it visually through heading structure and reorganisation. That is what my edits have been about.

After viewing the last year of edit history on the page, it seems he may feel some ownership of the page as he resists any attempts to change it. Surely it is this attitude and behaviour from him that is unconstructive, and not my edits?

Now he is going through my other edits on other pages and reverting them. This seems to be personal to him. It seems to be a targetted vendetta.

Please note that I have been using my IP address ( to edit and not my account which I opened some 15 years ago.

Both of you should stop edit warring and discuss it on the talk page. I’ve protected the page from editing for a few days to facilitate that. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:30, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

What’s the point? He has obviously decided that he has a right to veto any changes to the page that he doesn’t agree with. This sort of thing is the major problem with Wikipedia: personal fiefdoms. Is anyone addressing this? Doesn’t seem to be. reinthal (talk) 00:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:12, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. The article is about a song, not a song performed by a particular band. The major problem with Wikipedia is that anyone can edit it and when they don't discuss the issues and instead accuse others of problems that don't exist, it becomes problematic. Will take to talk page. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
User:Walter Görlitz says he will “take to talk page”, but has so far declined to address the points I put to him.reinthal (talk) 23:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Issue with how to handle the editing of the article "Ithaka Darin Pappas".[edit]

Hello, I have encountered the page Ithaka Darin Pappas, which suffers from the following issues:

1. The introductory section describes the subject as a "sculptor, painter, photographer, songwriter, vocalist, hip hop artist, writer, poet, record producer and surfer"; while these careers are all referenced in the article, it results in an overly long introduction - yet I am unsure how to edit this to read more concisely.

2. In the same section it is mentioned that the subject works in "Japan, Greece, Portugal, Brazil and Mexico": similarly to the first issue, I believe it is possible to word this in order to create a more consise introduction, but I am unsure of how to achieve this.

3. Use of potential Peacock Terms such as "well-known" and "stardom" - I am unsure of how to replace these.

4. The majority of the article consists of a lengthy "Works" sections; is this possible to shorten?

AlpacaSparkle (talk) 23:40, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Does @User notify the corresponding user?[edit]

For example, if someone else puts @Acebulf, will it notify me? Acebulf (talk) 23:56, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No. In order for a notification to happen, the username would have to be linked, so @Acebulf wouldn't work, but @Acebulf would, as would just User:Acebulf. The {{ping}} and {{U}} templates are just wrappers around the linking functionality. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) x2 @Acebulf: Yes, sort of but not by using '@'. You need to 'ping' as I have done here and it will only work if you sign a message at the same time as adding the ping. See WP:PING for more info. Eagleash (talk) 00:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

February 18[edit]

Page title error[edit]

I noticed that on the page for the Sulphur Mountain Formation, its name is spelled "Sulfur" rather than the correct (in this case) "Sulphur". How can this be fixed? Georgialh (talk) 00:08, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Move the page {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I have moved the article. DuncanHill (talk) 01:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Format problem[edit]

what is the correct place to post
"Help - I wanted to insert a section with a proposal on the talk page of "Norwegian Culture",
but it ended up sandwiched between the last paragraph of the previous section and that section's footnotes. Can someone fix it?" ?
T (talk) 00:47, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

The "New section" tab at the top of the talk page would have given you the opportunity to add a section heading, so I've added that for you. The footnote belonged to a section from years ago, so I added a {{reflist-talk}} template to that section to pull the reference up into that section. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:55, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi, thx a bunch. I did use the NS tab; I've come across the footnote problem before, though. Anyway, thx again. T (talk) 01:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I just had this happen to me, on talk:Culture, and I fixed it with a minor kludge there: take a look there for a worked example. The problem is that refs were not really meant for talk pages. Refs end up under the {{reflist}}, or if it is missing they end up at the bottom of the page, which is after your new section. I fixed this by editing the section that had the ref, to move the ref to a group and then add a group-specific reflist to the bottom of the section. Since this is a formatting fix for a technical problem, the prohibition against editing someone else's comments does not apply. -Arch dude (talk) 06:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
That also works but is more complicated. David Biddulph gave the normal solution above: Just place {{reflist-talk}} in the section with no parameters. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Clearly this is the better solution. Thanks. -Arch dude (talk) 16:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of the page Swami Sri Vedantha Desikan[edit]


I have earlier clearly informed that the acharyan is global and his life history is available in multiple forms. Also the one WIKIPEDIA refers to, as copied to my page in terms of content, does not have completeness at all compared to my page. My page is even more authentic and has more details of Swami Sri Vedanta Desikan. I don't see any copy material here between Swami Desika and Swami Sri Vedanta Desikan except for names and some of the information which has to be unique.

For example, the life history of Ramanuja can be read in multiple forms and that does not mean it is copied. Please read both the pages carefully and then suggest for speedy deletion instead of machine matching technique that just reads certain number of words between two pages.

Kind Regards, Vijayasarathy R — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vijayasarathyr (talkcontribs) 03:03, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Vijayasarathyr, your draft did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls. It was written in a highly promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. The article was a copyright violation. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. Before attempting to write an article again, please read the policies I've linked, make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article. You can't just dump unsourced fan pages hereJimfbleak - talk to me? 06:56, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Help desk; courtesy ping Jimfbleak -- John of Reading (talk) 17:59, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jimfbleak, With due respect to your observations, I am sorry to say that you are not supposed to call a document/ article as dump. I have clearly mentioned that Swami Sri Desikan is a great acharyan in Hinduism. A page is already available but with incomplete details. He is an acharyan lived during 1260-1370 AD. The incidents marked are all not dramatic and made up one. You host it or reject it, upto your principles or wikipedia. You are not supposed to hurt and denigrate other religions beliefs. The article as said has lot of grandhams (books) as factual evidences for life history of Swami Sri Desikan. One book I can suggest you to refer is "Rahasyatraya Saram" released by Poundrikapuram Asramam. The book with little or no differences is released by Ahobilamutt and Srimad Andavan Asramam. To get to know about these missions, you shall type them in Google and find them whether they are worth for your evaluation. I again stress, it is not for your belief or liking but for the viewers and readers. If you cannot still host, then fine. This would be the one last time I would like to reply and stand for my article. I have even mentioned CONTENT COURTESY when published my DRAFT. There is absolutely no policy voilation with this content at all. Please try "DESIKA CHARITRAM" a discourse by a reknowned spiritual speaker DUSHYANTH SRIDHAR in YOUTUBE available for free to compare the validity of the content and incidents mentioned. Nothing is blown out of proportion here and a LIFE HISTORY which has been common (LIKE ACHARYA'S) cannot be claimed by any single individual or organization for copyright. Rest I leave to your judgement. However, this has been a very bad experience for me with WIKIPEDIA in terms of adding content. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vijayasarathyr (talkcontribs) 17:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vijayasarathyr: Wikipedia is not a "host" for text published elsewhere. Last time you came to the help desk was on 2 February. We were several editors who answered you, see Special:Permalink/823652692#My Page Swami Sri Vedanta Desikan, but got no feedback. Please revisit that link. If you then still have questions, please post them here. Sam Sailor 18:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Vijayasarathyr: Draft:Swami Sri Vedanta Desikan has been deleted, for reasons explained on your talk page. In any case, Wikipedia already has an article Vedanta Desika. If you are aware of errors on that page (which certainly has scope for improvement), you should describe them on its talk page, giving references for your views wherever possible. Maproom (talk) 18:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

bad historical timeline DEMETRIUS II NICATOR[edit]


Demetrius II Nicator lived born 161 BCE died 125 BCE killed fighting the usurper Alexander Balas in 150bc.

DemetriusII, coin, face.jpg

King of the Seleucid Empire (King of Syria)

Reign 146–139 BC

Predecessor Alexander Balas

Successor Diodotus Tryphon

King of the Seleucid Empire (King of Syria)

Reign 129–126 BC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1407:C095:36F9:BE5B:5D74:188D (talk) 04:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

The article Demetrius II Nicator seems to make it clear. What is it that you don't understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:48, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Cf. e.g. Grover Cleveland and Winston Churchill. Sam Sailor 16:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input[edit]

what do i need to do to validate my recently deceased father's actions in a particular event that is listed on your webpage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:2B43:D100:3DF5:5BB:9826:6391 (talk) 14:16, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and sorry for your bereavement. What you need to do is to track down a report in a reliable publication to confirm the statement added to our article on the Melbourne–Voyager collision, then add a citation to the statement using the methods explained in our beginners' guide: Noyster (talk), 14:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
If you could provide us with his first names (M. A. W.) there's a better chance of helping you find a source. Searching for "Riseley" "Melbourne" "Voyager" "collision" I have found nothing so far. Sam Sailor 15:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Moscow location[edit]


I would like to request to someone who has experience with Wikipedia maps to add the location of Moscow to the map in List of most visited art museums, so that there are twenty cities located and not only nineteen.

Thanks. WhatsUpWorld (talk) 16:38, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Have you any actual source for Moscow being on the list, since the alleged "source" used on that article doesn't mention Moscow once as far as I can see? ‑ Iridescent 16:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Link problem[edit]

The name Rundle Stone is mistakenly linked to Runnel Stone. Can this be fixed? (Rundle Stone is a kind of dimension stone that does not currently have a Wikipedia page) Georgialh (talk) 18:45, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done That redirect is correct; the rock formation off Gwennap has been called "Rundle Stone" (or "Rundlestone") for centuries (here's an 1856 example). ‑ Iridescent 18:51, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I agree, the proper noun Rundle Stone is targeted correctly to Runnel Stone. If Rundle stone[1] in the future is mentioned in Dimension stone, a hatnote in Runnel Stone might be needed. Sam Sailor 19:05, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Here is a link [3] that says Rundle Stone [Rock] is stone quarried from the base of Mount Rundle, so it appears to have multiple meanings. MB 19:12, 18 February 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ Scott, P.W.; Bristow, C.M.; London, Geological Society of (2002). Industrial Minerals and Extractive Industry Geology: Based on Papers Presented at the Combined 36th Forum on the Geology of Industrial Minerals and 11th Extractive Industry Geology Conference, Bath, England, 7th-12th May, 2000. Geological Society special publication. Geological Society. p. 109. ISBN 978-1-86239-099-7. Retrieved February 18, 2018. 

Yes, the problem is that "Rundle Stone" has two meanings. I hadn't known that. I was only aware of the stone quarried from the base of Mt Rundle in Alberta. Georgialh (talk) 23:15, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Bianca Marroquin[edit]

Hi. My name is Bianca Marroquin. I’m a Broadway performer and TV actress. My date of birth is incorrectly posted on Wikipedia. It says I was born in 1975. But I was born in 1976. How can I change this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Someone vandalized the article several years ago by removing most of a paragraph, which made parts of the Wikipedia article nonsensical. I restored the removed content. I also removed the birth date, since it was sourced to the IMDb, which we don't consider to be reliable. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:08, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Translation Ita-Eng[edit]

Hello, I'm an italian user. I have basic English knowledge and for this reason it's probable that I will make mistakes. Anyway, I'm here because I want to translate part of this page from italian to english. That page on Wiki-It it's about 107,000 bytes, while on Wiki-Eng it's about 84,000 bytes. So, I want to translate the additional information on Wiki-It in Wiki-Eng, but I don't have enough English knowledge to do it. So, I'm looking for a user who can do it (with a big knowledge of italian and english). I think that this isn't the right page to find it, but I don't know the organization of Wiki-Eng, so I didn't know where to ask it. Thank you in advance for your help; --Samu204c (talk) 23:18, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Hello, Samu204c. I see you have found the {{expand Italian}} template, which is to my knowledge the best tool we have for such cases. You could also propose some changes on the talk page, even if your English is not great, as long as it is understandable; whoever implements them will correct your English. You could also try directly contacting editors from the Category:Translators it-en. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

February 19[edit]

Help with AfD procedures[edit]

Hello, my username is ChunyangD and I'm a fairly green editor. I came across a page that appears to be a book review and is not encyclopedic. It seems to warrant AfD to me, but I've never gone through the process before. Could someone provide advice? The article is The Working Poor: Invisible in America. ChunyangD (talk) 06:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

It needs editing, not deletion. Reviews in the New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle (also Publishers Weekly and others[4]) satisfy WP:NBOOK point #1. When you find an article that really does need to be considered for deletion, then I strongly recommend you install Twinkle, which makes the process much, much, much easier. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Wikilink: Twinkle. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:47, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Old talk page still attached to new article[edit]


This article was recently created: Syrian Liberation Front. If I click on the talk page link in that article, it takes me to Talk:Syrian Islamic Liberation Front instead of Talk:Syrian Liberation Front. How does this get fixed so the new article has its own talk page?

Thanks, David O. Johnson (talk) 06:42, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

David O. Johnson the problem was that Talk: Syrian Liberation Front was redirecting to Talk: Syrian Islamic Liberation Front. I've removed the redirect, so should be fine now. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:29, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Commons photos[edit]


I uploaded pictures to Commons for the first time [5] and under "Metadata" is says: Date and time of data generation: 23:54, 31 March 2004, however they are of the Stanley Cup Finals 2009 (for example:[6]). I have photos of the Penguins winning the cup that game and Crosby is pictured so it can't be 2004, so I am sure it is the 2009 Finals. Is this an error on my part or the Commons? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 08:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Most likely on your part. I would bet your camera wasn't set to date when you took the photos, and it recorded incorrect metadata. Maybe someone else can say how to correct that? TigraanClick here to contact me 08:49, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I think you're right. I just uploaded another photo from a different camera/phone and the date was correct. Does this need to get fixed or is it still useable despite the date difference? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 09:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I expect many photos get uploaded from cameras with mis-set clocks. But this question would be best asked at the Commons Help Desk. Maproom (talk) 09:20, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
There's a warning in the Metadata section to the effect that the date/time might not be correct and it depends upon the settings within the camera. Eagleash (talk) 09:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Wow, I must be blind to have missed that. Thanks a lot! HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 09:39, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Setting the date and time for the camera model in the metadata. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

User page has been deleted[edit]

This is the user page I was using until before a hour.

Now I see the message saying "This page has been deleted. The deletion, protection, and move log for the page are provided below for reference."

I am not seeing any the deletion logs as well. I yesterday uploaded a picture, and then someone asked to add proper license, I have sent a mail to the author of the picture and waiting for the reply to forward to admin. But the user page got deleted. Someone please help me out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohanavalli (talkcontribs) 09:27, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

The page you are looking for is [7] (on Commons, not on English Wikipedia). Rmhermen (talk) 09:44, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks lot for you help. I want to delete this picture which I uploaded twice, may this be deleted please.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohanavalli (talkcontribs) 10:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Page submission[edit]


I would like to submit the following page: Draft:Niko Klansek or

The content in both pages is the same. Please, let me know if I have to do any corrections regarding references or template.

Thank you very much. I appreciate your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LkHk (talkcontribs) 09:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@LkHk: Hello, I have left a welcome message and also some useful links at your talk page. I have also tidied up the draft a bit. (Punctuation goes before refs etc.) The image seems to have been copied from Klansek's social media pages and there is probably a copyright issue unless you have obtained the necessary permission from the copyright holder. Links to social media have been deleted per WP:ELNO. If you feel the draft is ready for mainspace, you can place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page which will submit it for review. You should probably request deletion of the sandbox page by placing {{Db-G7}} at the top of the page. Thank you. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Eagleash (talk) 10:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I've deleted the sandbox version Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

How to create general links[edit]

If I wanted "religiou sister" to direct to "nun#Distinction between a nun and a religious sister", rather than to the top of this long article on all sorts of nuns, how could I make it so that this would happen? Jzsj (talk) 14:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

You'd use the pipe character, so [[nun#Distinction between a nun and a religious sister|religious sister]] renders as religious sister. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Virat Kohli[edit]

please correct the date of Virat Kohli' last T20 match. It is written as 18 Oct 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:16, 19 February 2018‎ (UTC)

Virat Kohli (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Convenience link. As for what the date should be, I have no idea. I would have fixed it if OP had given us a source... †dismas†|(talk) 15:21, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

how do I get to the simplified/traditional chinese Wikipedia (I mean the link, nothing is censored here)[edit]


So I see that on the left-hand side the interwiki links (on any article, pick whatever article you want as long as it's not terribly obscure) go to pages like this one首页

For example if I search for cat it goes to and then if I mouse over the chinese-looking links on the left I eventually see "Chinese" in the mouseover description, and that one links here猫

How do I choose the Simplified versus Traditional wikies? Which one is linked normally? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB88:2481:FC80:74F7:8967:473C:1EE6 (talk) 15:41, 19 February 2018 (UTC)