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December 11[edit]

doing a WP:SPLIT, but was moved to a draft[edit]

I edited on here and when info is moved, this is a WP:SPLIT. But the info was moved to a draft instead? (If I sound too confused. I attend to forget quickly about rules/ guidelines and just ask.) Tainted-wingsz (talk) 00:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Tainted-wingsz. It seems that Kbeast33 wanted to do a spin-out (a split in which a more specialized sub-article is created) but wanted to refine the new page in draft space first, and so created Draft:List of Ascendance of a Bookworm Episodes. There is nothing wrong with this, but it would have been better practice to describe the intention at Talk:Ascendance of a Bookworm. In any case, Wikipedia's license requires that attribution be maintaiend, which has not yet been done in this case. See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia for the policies and practices on this.
You are free to edit the draft, or to propose undoing the spin-out on the article talk page, if you think that would be better. But the draft list of Episodes does seem to have enough content to overwhelm the parent article -- indeed perhaps a bit much as per WP:PLOT. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
I have added the needed attributions. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:04, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
I wasn't oppose to that. (In replying to the sentence with "spin-out".) But this was my first time seeing info being split (moved) to a draft and not to a new page. (So this is a little new to me. Then I thought there was another set of rules/ guidelines to that?) Then for the word "Episodes" in the draft's title, the "E" is not capitalized as the category from; Category:Lists of anime episodes doesn't display this. After the draft is accepted, etc. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 02:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
This is not the most common procedure, Tainted-wingsz, usually a split does not involve a draft, and i am not really sure why a draft was used this time. But there is no policy that says not to do it that way. Any errors in the new draft you may correct with normal editing, and you may make any improvement that you think fit, just as you would in an article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:19, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Ah, o.k. then. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Also there was a page just made too. Based from the draft. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 15:14, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Adding an External Link[edit]

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

How do I add an external link to the Cold War article.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpriest (talkcontribs) 02:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Extract report of List of communities[edit]

How do i extract the Listing of communities in W3 and Cloud ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:58, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but your question is unclear. Are you asking about how to use or edit an English Wikipedia article? If so, which one (please provide the exact title by copying and pasting it from the page you are inquiring about). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 09:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Refercing newspapers that are behind a log in[edit]

So I have been working on the 1975 Cricket World Cup in expanding the prose of the article to the point where it might good enough for a better rating. Anyway I was wondering how I would reference the archived newspaper articles as I got those sources from Gale Primary Sources which is good until I realised that you need to log in to access the resources. So I am wondering how I would reference those sources as I can't just use an url link to have the page be checked over. HawkAussie (talk) 08:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, HawkAussie. Use the URL normally, but when using a citation template (such as {{Cite web}}) add "url-access=subscription". This will change he way the citation is displayed to warn readers that a subscription is needed to see the source. That is perfectly OK, and someone on Wikipedia will surley have a subscription. See WP:RX. Do be sure to include title, name of paper, publication date, and if possible page nd column for the print edition. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 09:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@DESiegel: Ok, thanks for that suggestion as I have been using those inclusions for better reference in the article. It's just going to be difficult with an Tasmanian link right at the start of the url, ahhhhhh. HawkAussie (talk) 10:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
HawkAussie, just skip the url. It may be helpful if you quote the relevant bit in the cite. A little more at WP:PAYWALL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: The problem is trying to WP:SUMMARY the group stage of the 1975 edition and the only references that I do have is from match reports from that era in the newspapers and the book that I have in my area. So quoting that relevant bit would be difficult "per say" HawkAussie (talk) 10:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

move page[edit]

There's no "more" drop down button next to "view history button on the top of the page, with the option "move" so I can upload a Draft to main space wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenard Bas (talkcontribs) 08:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Lenard Bas You are not yet autoconfirmed(account is four days old and has 10 edits) as you only have nine edits and your account is only two days old. New users cannot directly create articles. You can submit your draft using Articles for Creation. However, if you were to submit it now, it would probably be rejected, as you have few independent reliable sources to support its content and indicate how the person meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable musician. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 08:58, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
If you were to move your draft into the main space without a review, it would likely be deleted quickly. 331dot (talk) 08:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete a Page[edit]

Kindly advise on how to permanently delete a wikipedia page of a person who is no longer in existence with the said name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OneStoneDigital (talkcontribs) 10:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Adhiti Menon. If she has switched to a new stage name, you can go to WP:Requested moves and make a point that it should be moved to a new title (but it needs to show that sources such as newspaper use her new name). – Thjarkur (talk) 10:39, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

School article edit[edit]

Hi can you tell me if I am allowed to change my school page as it needs updating? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teddyskitty (talkcontribs) 11:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Teddyskitty If you are only a student and want to edit the article(not just "page") about your school, you may as long as you have a proper reliable source for the information. 331dot (talk) 12:38, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I have changed my mind - I do not want any apps[edit]

I have changed my mind about being a member or signing into Wikipedia. I do not want any apps to be able to get into my device for any reason. I just halted Google from same. all apps.with Google are stopped. I ask you to please do the same here with Wikepedia. No apps to get into my system ever. Thank you so much. I will definitely continue to support Wike w/ donating. TerryandKelley

uT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14F:8006:48A0:C6:45A5:8213:A2C8 (talk) 12:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I have shortened this section's title. I hope you understand there is a difference between a title and contents. --CiaPan (talk) 12:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello. We here have no control over what apps you run on your device or what permissions you give them. Personally i would only edit Wikipedia from a full computer, where this issue should not exist. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Copyright issue[edit]

I uploaded an image on Wikimedia several days ago with as much info as I possibly could have provided. Now, I received a message stating the file will be deleted within seven days if the evidence of permission is not provided. The website I picked the photo from has no copyright tag. Please help me fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

If the source site has no copyright tag you should assume all the work is copyrighted. It's pretty clear every work has some author – and if the author didn't explicitly release the work to public domain or other type of free use, the work must be assumed protected. --CiaPan (talk) 13:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
To spell it out a bit more, you may only upload a file if you created it (or otherwise own it) and so can give permission, or if the person who did create it or owns it has explicitly given permission. If you find a file on a site where it has no copyright tag, then no one has given permission and Wikipedia cannot use it. We can only use files that are freely licensed, or are in the public domain, or in a few very limited cases will pass as fair use. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
A common misconception is that a copyrighted work will have a copyright notice. This is incorrect. According to copyright law, everything is copyrighted by default. Unless there is a notice that a work has been released into the public domain or released under some copyright license, it's copyrighted and all rights belong to its creator. -Arch dude (talk) 17:45, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Photo of USS Devilfish[edit]

A photo shown on List of shipwrecks 1968, August, USS Devilfish, appears to be a periscope photo taken by a submarine showing a torpedo explosion. I question the source of the photo and verification of the description, as it may not be USS Devilfish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seepy6210 (talkcontribs) 13:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Seepy6210, the image was uploaded from If you doubt the information on the image, you should ask at the article's talk page, or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. People there will be much better placed to check if the information is correct. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 15:09, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Mark ISP as School[edit]

How can I have an ISP marked as a school? (Have logged in to track this from personal account) Lizzie Harrison 15:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Lizzie Harrison, are you meaning the shared ip edu template that is placed on talk pages - the parameters are listed on its page. See User talk: for an example of it's use. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 15:27, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Adding an External Link[edit]

How do I add an external link to the Cold War page?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpriest (talkcontribs) 17:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Kcpriest, Firstly, you would be advised to read the policy first - Wikipedia:External links, and especially WP:LINKSTOAVOID. Also note Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, so links with have no effect on SEO.
If you still think a link is warranted, see the how to link section of the above page Wikipedia:External links#How to link ~~ OxonAlex - talk 18:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
However, the cold war page is semi protected, so you need to have made 10 edits to be able to edit it, and you're currently on nine. So please use the Template:Edit semi-protected template on Talk:Cold War.
Just place {{Edit semi-protected}} in a new section of the talk page, then state the link you wish to add. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 18:19, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. It looks like it is too complicated for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpriest (talkcontribs) 20:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

What, generally, should be done when the majority of a non-list article is lists?[edit]

For example, in Medica Superspecialty Hospital, Kolkata, the majority of content is lists. Beyond fixing up what appears to be promotional material, what exactly determines whether any one list should be in an article or not? Looking for policies and guidelines on this. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 18:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

For that article, if it were me, I'd delete the section on Location, as it's just the address and directions. As for the list of institutes and the list of departments, I would ask myself and the sources what is important about this hospital, are any of the institutes or departments important? Have they won awards? Is the hospital particularly known for it's excellence in Dentistry? Is it the first hospital in its area to have a Department of Oncology? Is it known for ground-breaking research in Haematology? You get the picture. Rephrase the entire article as encyclopedic prose based on reliable sources.  I would say right now the article's main problem is that it is not based on reliable sources - the only sources cited are the hosptial's own website. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:17, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Honestly, I've gone and trimmed all those lists. Again, information should be presented as well-sourced prose. And you asked for policies and guidelines, which are at Manual of Style/Lists~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
The article, as trimmed, is pretty much a directory listing. I should say the way to take this is to WP:AFD per WP:NOTDIRECTORY.
i'm sure it is a very good hospital and does good work: so do many others. WP:SNOWFLAKE may help you. What is special about this hospital other than the many many other hospitals in India and Worldwide: It is just another WP:MILL hospital. Those are the arguments for the prosecution. God bless the people who need treatment and those who give it to them, but it fails WP:GNG. (talk) 01:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


how do I find the original articles for Gongqingcheng....I think it started as Gongqing — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

This seems to be the article, Gongqingcheng. If you want to look at an earlier version of the article, click on the History tab at the top of the page. All earlier versions of the article are listed on the History page, in reverse chronological order. Apparently, the original version of the article was titled "Gongqingcheng"--Quisqualis (talk) 19:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Please delete TEMP2, TEMP.Yavneh and TEMP.BL1 sectional headers in Telshe yeshiva[edit]

Please delete the following three sectional headers in Telshe yeshiva

  • ==TEMP2==
  • ==TEMP.Yavneh==
  • ==TEMP.BL1==
(they're the result of my "workaround" for the 'Wikimedia Foundation Error' that I've reported)
The latest
  • "If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below" is
    • Request via cp1077 frontend, Varnish XID 735002416
    • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:34:04 GMT

Pi314m (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Done, although I'm curious as to how adding the headers would have solved a backend problem. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Pure guess as unquoted literal in SQL statement, then taking "==" or "===" as part of the relational query and not the subject of the query. I have not done SQL for years since I use proper databases, so am probably wrong, and it is probably client side on the user's SQL and not in the WMF API. Were it not, it would happen on EVERY section title in EVERY page (including this one). (talk) 01:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Gallery needs tweaking[edit]


I've added an image to the gallery at Blueskin (horse). The image is in landscape aspect, with the others being portrait. After several feeble attempts, the result is not very satisfactory. It would be appreciated if somebody would make it better. Thanks in advance. Eric, aka: (talk) 21:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I changed it to use <gallery> instead of {{Gallery}}. If you don't like it, just revert. MB 21:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks -- much better! (talk) 21:43, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Plotting -tool needed![edit]

Reading Edward Robinson 1841 works (about his travels in Palestine), we see that he has often pinpointed all the locations he has seen from a place, using info like this: "er-Ram N. 38° E. Neby Samwil N. 18° E." etc (see p. 327)(see Talk:Arabbuna about how to interpret the numbers)..Those numbers can be really useful, as they identify the names of the villages.

Now, what I would love to have, is a tool whereby I could plot in the degrees, and "superimpose" that on maps. Eg, here are two versions of (roughly) what I would like to plot:


_ \|/_

...the first version is when we have a village straight W, straight N, and straight E. The second version is when we also have villages NE, and NW (I couldn't manage to draw the S, SW and SE lines) (Also: possibly we could have a village in any degree in-between)

Does anyone of you know of such a tool? (I could of course plot it by hand, but that seems terribly cumbersome in 2019)? Huldra (talk) 22:27, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I think Google Earth ([1]) will do what you need, in addition to having the underlying map and imagery already. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:16, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
User:AlanM1, thanks, that looks like quite a lot to look into (which I will.. ;) ) Huldra (talk) 21:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Not so much, really. You have your choice of browser-based, mobile, or desktop apps (which I'd recommend)[2]. Using it is pretty straightforward. Once you go to the place he was viewing from, use the ruler button on the button-bar to draw a line at the right heading. I guess you have to estimate the distance he could see? You can drop new placemarks with the yellow pushpin button and drag them where you need them with the mouse. Don't forget to save your work occasionally (File->Save->Save my places). I'm sure there are videos and other tutorials available if you need them. Be careful not to stray into WP:OR territory, as far as what you include in articles. Happy mapping! —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


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PLEASE DON'T SHOUT. Also, please don't put your (or his) personal information here; you never know what someone might do with it. That said, do you have a question about using or contributing to Wikipedia? —Tamfang (talk) 23:38, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
To be clear, I think you have mistaken Wikipedia for a social media platform, which it is not (see WP:NOTSOCIAL). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:20, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

December 12[edit]

List of Works in a biographical article - complete or selected items?[edit]

I hope this is a quick question: I'm sure I have seen it documented somewhere but I just can't find it now. In an article about a scientist, it is common to include a list of their works (books, etc.). In some cases this can get quite large, leading to the question - should we aim to make that list as complete as possible, or just selected works so the list is a more manageable (and readable) size? Pointers to a guideline would be appreciated.--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:43, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Doesn't appear to be a part of any guideline, so it's just up to you. Since scientists tend to be rather prolific, their articles more often include "Selected papers". – Thjarkur (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I found it! "Lists of published works should be included for authors, illustrators, photographers and other artists. The individual items in the list do not have to be sufficiently notable to merit their own separate articles. Complete lists of works, appropriately sourced to reliable scholarship are encouraged..." Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lists_of_works Gronk Oz (talk) 11:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@Gronk Oz: This would seem to cross over into the ideas behind WP:RAWDATA at some point, though. A recent example, Julia Chan, comes to mind. Her publications page at UT lists almost 200 papers, which would be ridiculous to duplicate accurately, let alone maintain. I'll note that there's apparently also been some movement towards reducing filmographies of actors to just selections as well, which I think is a great idea, again for maintainability. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for that, AlanM1. If it is cut down to a selected list, are there guidelines for what the selection criteria should be? Without that, it risks becoming biased personal opinion, or original research. Gronk Oz (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I changed the Raymond Green to Draymond Green on the 2019 FIBA roster[edit]

Hello, I changed the Raymond Green to Draymond Green on the 2019 FIBA roster page and it got changed back. You guys are wrong. I am right. Don't change it back. I am trying to help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14F:4480:28F0:44A4:31DE:6D2F:5B7A (talk) 00:54, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous editor, and thanks for your contribution. It helps other editors to know which edits are genuine if you provide a reliable source that supports your proposed change. As it was, you did not provide an edit summary describing what you changed or why, so it seems that Creffett perhaps thought it was an error.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:41, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Gronk Oz is correct - with no explanation for the name change, it looked like vandalism and so I reverted it. creffett (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Where is the WP Wishlist?[edit]

How do I submit a wishlist item for WP editing functionality? I thought I had seen a Wishlist link on this page a while back but now I can't find it--NB I'm using a really primitive mobile browser (Kindle).

Is this page actually the place?? In case it is, here is my wishlist suggestion:

Add a button to edit just the "lede" of an article. Mature articles often need just a minor change to the lead; editing the whole article can be laborious,especially on a mobile, there's danger of accidental change while scrolling, & it makes the history appear ponderous.

Case in point: I had a minor edit to make to the third para of article Melanoma. It would have been so convenient to just edit the "lede" (I hate that neologism but I do see the nede for it). Instead , I had to edit the whole article, which meant scrolling down through a quite lengthy article to get to the para I was editing--twice, since I always preview my changes [well almost always--ed.]. --D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 07:03, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

There is already a setting which you can change to give you an "edit" link for the lede of every article. I can't find it under "Preferences" – "Editing", but it exists somewhere. Maproom (talk) 07:50, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
It's at Preferences > Gadgets > Appearance. I've no idea whether that would work on a Kindle, though. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:49, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict)It's meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2019, the next one will be next October. Alternatively, many problems can be solved by asking the people over at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests to create a script for you. You can go to Preferences → Gadgets → Appearance → Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page which will do what you want. Relevant discussion about "ledes"Thjarkur (talk) 09:57, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Dagobert Runes[edit]

Article text

About this Item: Verlag Darmstädter Blätter :, 1981. 8 Octav, Broschiert. erste Auflage :. 332 Seiten : Dagobert David Runes (January 6, 1902 September 24, 1982) was a philosopher and author. Born in Zastavna, Bukovina, Austro-Hungary (now in Ukraine), he emigrated to the United States in 1926. He had received a doctorate in philosophy from the University of Vienna in 1924. In the U.S. he became editor of The Modern Thinker and later Current Digest. From 1931 to 1934 he was Director of the Institute for Advanced Education in New York City. He had an encyclopedic level fluency in Latin and Biblical Hebrew; he fluently spoke and wrote in Austrian German, German, Yiddish, French, Hebrew, Russian, Polish, Czechoslovakian, and English. In 1941 he founded the Philosophical Library, a spiritual organization and publishing house. Runes was a colleague and friend to Albert Einstein. Runes published an English translation of Marx's On the Jewish Question under the title A World without Jews. Though this has often been considered the first translation of the work, a Soviet anti-zionist, propaganda version had existed a few years earlier, which was likely unknown to Runes. As the title of Rune's book sounded antisemitic, it had extremely limited circulation in the English-speaking world. Runes wrote an introduction to the translation that was clearly antagonistic to extreme Marxism, and 'its materialism,' as he would later often put it, yet he did not entirely negate Marxism. He also edited several works presenting the ideas and history of philosophy to a general audience, especially his Dictionary of Philosophy. He spoke and wrote unpublished letters about his extensive research into the censorship by the Vatican and other Christian organizations of Jewish history, which as he studied he realized was far more prolific than almost anyone realized.Early versions of the Nicene Creed, for example, instituted laws such as "You shall apply all negative to that pernicious race [Jews], and all positive will be applied to the poor of the Roman Christians"; and Justinian I banned any Jewish language, which is rarely noted. The extensive antisemitism in the Theodosian Code was later censored in some works. Jews were barred from many fields which did not fit into the stereotypes portrayed in annual Good Friday passion plays, such as being tax collectors or money traders. (Another minor example was that in medieval Sweden, Jews were only allowed to trade used clothes, so that their social status would remain beneath the Christians). He also listed holidays where young energetic parishioners were directed to strike the first elderly Jews they saw upon leaving the Church, specifically in the nose, where blood would be readily observed. Runes' love for the Latin language greatly facilitated this research. Dagobert Runes moved to the United States with his wife Mary Gronich-Runes. They remarried in NYC in 1929 and remained married until Mary's death. They had two children, Regeen and Richard. His mother was murdered in an anti-Semitic riot following the Holocaust; almost his entire family and their circle of friends were killed in the Holocaust (quelle:wikipedia) : gerne senden wir Ihnen weitere Fotos und Informationen : der Gesamteindruck dieses Buches ist GEBRAUCHT : SEHR GUT - 387139064x Bitte beachten Sie, dass es sich um gebrauchte Bücher handelt. Bei den Preisen haben wir den Zustand des Buches berücksichtigt. Sprache: Deutsch Gewicht in Gramm: 400. Seller Inventory # 6859 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:ED0:6DFA:300:8130:EB83:D99A:70B7 (talk) 09:23, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello IP, you can go to Articles for creation and submit this as a draft, but it needs citations to reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:27, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

British or English?[edit]

I'm sure this is discussed somewhere in the MOS, but I haven't been able to track it down. Is there a particular year/era where descriptions in Wikipedia should switch from 'English' to 'British' ('British politician' instead of 'English politician')? Queen Anne appears to be the first monarch to be title 'of Great Britain', but other descriptions seem to be all over the place. Any guidance would be appreciated (I'm trying not to ruffle feathers due to ignorance). Leschnei (talk) 13:09, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Hmm... Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom is loosely-related (summary: in BLPs, follow the subject's self-characterization of British/Scottish/whatever if expressed clearly). Absent a clear guideline, I would think the best would be to follow contemporary sources in describing events, governments etc. as "British" or "English". I would also guess you are less likely to ruffle feathers in substituting English for British (or the other way round) than Scottish for British... TigraanClick here to contact me 14:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@Tigraan: that link is very helpful, thanks. In general, I go with whatever designation is in the article, Charles Dickens is English and Benjamin Disraeli is British, but I have seen editors make changes from one to the other and it made me wonder. Leschnei (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
guideline commentary
It's a shame but not that surpising that the descriptions are "all over the place". A lot of people are just confused over this. Actually, James VI and I was the first monarch "of Great Britain" even though the two kingdoms were still separate then. But it is not really a matter of dates -- there isn't a time when you should switch from English to British. England has had a fairly constant meaning for (roughly) a thousand years, and over a similar time period Great Britain has always had the same geographical meaning of the whole island containing England, Scotland and Wales.
I agree that self-identification is best for BLPs, the question is mainly how to treat historical personages and topics. Sometimes the context will help, for example if they were an office holder did their remit cover Britain (or the UK), or just England or another constituent nation? The other thing to say is that there may be no single answer. Being English usually implies being British as well. But not vice versa. Just the way a Texan is an American but not always vice versa. If there was to be a style guideline on this question, where would be the right place on wikipedia to start a discussion about developing such a policy?
By the way, I speak as someone who is British but not English! FrankP (talk) 17:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@FrankP:Worthwhile discussions of guidlines, like this one, belong on the talk pages of the guideline, not on the help desk where the go away after a few days. -Arch dude (talk) 17:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
This topic has always frustrated, due to many resisting using British in post-1707 British bio articles (in GB), 1801-1922 Ireland bio articles. GoodDay (talk) 18:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, ok, understood. I actually asked in my comment where is the correct place to have such a discussion. Is it at Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom? FrankP (talk) 20:54, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Yup. GoodDay (talk) 01:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
  • The Wikipedia guidance on this says "In most modern-day cases this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable." That sounds great, and would normally solve most of these disputes except for the United Kingdom, which is a country made up of countries. Which is to say that the country of the United Kingdom is made up of the countries of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, which then begs the question "Which country do we use". The answer is it depends, and there is no universal way to handle it; generally it is a good idea to try to use concepts like self-identification where disputes arise (that is, does the person think of themselves as "Scottish" or "British"), except that many people may consider themselves both; I mean Gordon Brown is described as "British" and Peter Capaldi is described as "Scottish" and I have to say neither of those is wrong, and yet it feels like if we swapped both of those, it would feel less right. It's the kind of messy thing that we just kind of work out, and try not to fight about, and defer to not changing just to be arbitrary. --Jayron32 18:21, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


I would like to donate, however I prefer not to have my personal info shared.

please provide proof my personal info will NOT be shared — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:12, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

We don't handle donations or the process; please read this page for information on the various ways you can donate, which include in cryptocurrency. I don't know what the exact policy is, but I doubt the Foundation would share your personal information. 331dot (talk) 13:15, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Well, it depends what "personal information" is. In the strictest sense of the term, the WMF just published OP's IP address for anyone to see (because that's how page histories work for non-registered users). On the other hand, I doubt the WMF would partner with advertizers to sell names and mail addresses. TigraanClick here to contact me 13:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
We at the help desk are good, but we cannot prove a negative. Sorry. We also have nothing to do with the WMF's donations or data outside of Wikipedia. If you wish to ensure your privacy, donate anonymously via cryptocurrency or a postal money order. -Arch dude (talk) 17:11, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
See foundation:Donor privacy policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:04, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@IP editor: And thank you for your support! —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

User page[edit]

How to get one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dq209 (talkcontribs) 18:21, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Dq209 You already have one simply by registering an account. If you click your username at the end of your post, or at the top right corner of the screen(if using a computer), it will take you there for you to create. Please see WP:USERPAGE for information on acceptable user page content. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

What notability criteria does Network-Attached Secure Disks fall under?[edit]

Per title. Does it only fall under WP:GNG, or is there a criteria i'm missing? --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

@Moonythedwarf: There's no sourcing, and all three external links are just to the paper written by the researchers. There's no independent sourcing for the term, so I'd say it fails WP:GNG. After a quick reading of the paper, I'd merge and redirect to Network-attached storage. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Timtempleton, That's what I was thinking, I came here because I wanted to be absolutely certain. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 19:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Isaac kappy[edit]

Can someone please explain why isaac kappys wiki page was deleted 3 days after he died? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellahan (talkcontribs) 20:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

@Kellahan: The reason for Isaac Kappy deletion was it did not demonstrate that the person was notable. See WP:N. RudolfRed (talk) 20:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
The article appears to only have consisted of "Isaac Kappy was an American actor" and nothing more (as far as I can see with my non-admin eyes), that is to say, it did not explain what he was notable for. It appears he has gotten sufficient coverage for an article, so you could start one using the Articles for creation process. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:52, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Posting a New Page[edit]

I have tried posting a new page about a prominent person. The person is deceased, his business is no longer in operation, and there is no advertising interest in posting the page. It's simply a matter of updating the encyclopedia to include someone who died before online resource took over the world. He is included in numerable publications and should be available to current and future scholars. I keep getting rude messages telling me the page is some sort of marketing scheme. My legal assistant and I have tried several iterations, which are structured exactly like other wiki pages. This morning a very rude person messaged my legal assistant and made her cry he was so mean. The poor young lady simply asked for advice on how to make the page suitable. Here is my question: A) How do I report an abusive reviewer? b) How do I speak with someone about what edits we can make so wiki will accept our page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3008:202:8400:3ADE:ADFF:FE94:B0E2 (talk) 20:48, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, could you post a link to the page in question? Note that most of the messages you get sent are just templates that contain a prewritten text about what needs to occur for the article to be accepted. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:54, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

articles that need attention[edit]

Hello. When I first signed up for wikipedia it had a bunch of pages that were recommended for fixing spelling/grammar and other errors. After logging on another day I cannot find where those are on the site. Basically wikipedia would show me an article that might need editing and if I could not find anything to edit on that article I could click "next article" to see what else might need editing. How do I get back to that? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki497 (talkcontribs) 23:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

You might be interested in SuggestBot; see also: User:SuggestBot/Requests. (talk) 23:48, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@Wiki497: See Wikipedia:GettingStarted for the feature you used, or try it on Random article. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:53, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@Wiki497: You could also use Special:RandomInCategory/All pages needing cleanup. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 00:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@Wiki497:, Let me also suggest that you visit Wikipedia:Community portal and scroll down to the "Help Out" section. It has nine groups of links to articles that need improvement. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

December 13[edit]


I already sent some funds through PayPal and Wikipedia keeps asking for more? If I have different emails will I get different requests for donations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:440:8401:54F0:7D23:6321:9863:EA4A (talk) 02:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Thank you for making a contrbution. Absolutely nothing in Wikipediahas any knowledge of who has contributed or how much: that is entirely within the Wikimedia Foundation, which is separate. Your position is the same as somebody who made a donation to a collector in the street yesterday and sees the collector still there today.
If you create an account (which is free) then you will have the ability to turn off the messages when you are logged in; but while you are using Wikipedia anonymously, there is no way to do that. --ColinFine (talk) 09:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Odd Name Change[edit]

I was looking at the Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom page it states that "Mohamed" directed the movie. You may want to have a look.

Fixed – thanks for pointing this out. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 03:38, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

New Profile[edit]

  • Hi, I start by asking a question that "Is it not important to update a reference (Forbes profile) ? ". I have seen that in Mukesh Ambani's Wikipedia article his Forbes profile is updated as per December 2019. I had also provided a link of Shamsheer Vayalil's updated Forbes profile as per December 2019 on Talk:Shamsheer Vayalil heading is "Updation of net worth".Please! anyone help in updating his Forbes profile and if not I will do it myself and if any mistake happens then please don't blame me.

Thanks. ( (talk) 11:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC))

Hi, anonymous reader! Please see WP:NORUSH and WP:NOTNEWS. This is an encyclopedia, not a news service. Imagine it gets printed some day, or mirrored on some other website (which actually happens all the time). Then the figures will get frozen, and you can't help for it. So instead of fruitless chasing variable 'net worth' please focus on presenting important (wide and long-lasting) impact of the person in the world. That will add a persistent value to our common project.
BTW, please also see WP:NOTSOCIAL – Wikipedia is not a social media, we don't host any profiles for people, we rather develop articles about them. --CiaPan (talk) 12:22, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Editing wiki pages in countries where wikipedia is banned[edit]

Hi there,

I work in Turkey, where I have to access wikipedia via a proxy because the site is blocked. I use wikipedia every day and during the course of my research I often want to make factual edits but cannot because wikipedia blocks edits from proxied addresses.

Is there a way around this, so that I can contribute to the accuracy of wikipedia from within a censoring country?

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghenghys (talkcontribs) 13:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

You could apply for an IP block exemption, which is in some cases granted for a short time to newer users. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Ghenghys (talk) 14:21, 13 December 2019 (UTC) Thank you for your quick answer: I have just now sent the request that you suggested.

Request to remove semi-protected[edit]

By choice, I edit from an IP address, which changes regularly, but I'm a fairly experienced editor. I want to edit a page, Dubstep, that is semi-protected. Obviously, I can add a request at the talk page, but I don't think the page, despite being a GA, needs protection.

From the edit history I can only see one attempt at vandalism, detected by a bot, here on 1 May 2013 by User:ClueBotNG. Can you please remind me how to request that semi-protection be removed from this page? We don't usually protect pages "pessimistically". (talk) 13:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello anon, looking at the protection log the article on dubstep appears to have been semi-protected on the regular since 2010 before permanent protection was implemented in 2012. This seems to have been effective in stopping the flow of vandalism which is probably why it remains today. The protecting admin ItsZippy has been desysoped for inactivity, so if you want the protection removed either ask another admin or post at requests for removing protection. – Teratix 13:20, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

linkspam question[edit]

I am seeing a lot of link spam for the following domains:


Is there an easy way to determining how much spamming they are doing before I ask about a filter? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:14, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

There doesn't appear to be an easy way to find spam that has already been reverted (only way I can think of would be to grep a recent revision database dump). Of your list, only is still in any articles. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:22, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I removed the carid linkspam and requested an edit filter here: [3] --Guy Macon (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@Guy Macon: I added those links to User:COIBot/Poke. In a few hours all the report links should changes from red to blue. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 17:43, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Eligiblity of Username[edit]

My username is eligilble for Wikipedia editing? WeTalkWiki 14:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

WeTalkWiki, the username policy is at Wikipedia:Username policy.
Your username isn't misleading, disruptive, offensive, or promotional, so I don't see why it would be a problem. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 14:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
If I'm reading it wrong, and you want to edit your username, you'll need to follow the steps at Wikipedia:Changing username, although you may want to just register a new account and disregard the old one. This is valid, as long as you're not using it to avoid scrutiny. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 14:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm wondering if by username they mean account. 331dot (talk) 14:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


I didn't clear what you meant?

WeTalkWiki 15:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

WeTalkWiki we are also not clear what you meant by your question. What are you asking? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@WeTalkWiki: the "we" in your user name implies that it is being used by more than one person. This is against the rules, and that means you should change your user name or simply abandon it and create a new account. See WP:USERNAME. -Arch dude (talk) 16:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

@Arch dude:

The "we" in my user name is nosism - I am the only person who knows the password.

So I didn't violate any rules unless you have lack of knowledge about wikipedia articles.

WeTalkWiki 19:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


This article is biased, misinformed, and hurtful to a growing profession. I tried to make a change this morning, and it automatically went back to the original text. I read the 'Talk' section and many people have had similar thoughts and comments. This makes me lose trust in the validity of Wikipedia. Please review the facts and fix this, or help me understand how I can fix this. There is good information now on accredited websites like WebMD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

You removed soruced content from the page when you reverted it. Also, WebMD is not consired a reliable source. So the page will stay in its current state. If you can find reliabe soruces, then you can add the content.LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 15:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Note also,, that whether or not a a profession is "growing" is not, alone, a criterion determining Wikipedia's tone of coverage of that profession. That is determined solely by the tone of coverage found in reliable, published sources.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleting my biography[edit]

I respectfully request that my bio Mike Kelly (Gridiron Football) be removed.

Please either execute this request from your end or easily explain to me the procedure I need to process.

I would like this done immediately.

Thank you,

Mike Kelly — Preceding unsigned comment added by GridIronFootball (talkcontribs) 16:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

This appears to be in response to this content about an arrest on the article Mike Kelly (gridiron football), which User:Hirolovesswords added recently. I think you might be too notable for us to delete the article, but I personally think we should not mention arrests on the articles of semi-notable people where the charges are dropped. You can request a second opinion on this at the Biographies of living persons noticeboard. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
I've removed the contentious sentence. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Þjarkur. It is clearly WP:UNDUE for charges that resulted in no conviction to be mentioned unless the charges or the case was in itself notable. ——SN54129 18:59, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Mike Kelly's arrest was a major news story, covered both in Winnipeg and nationally in Canada [] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. One sentence about it is not WP:UNDUE - Hirolovesswords (talk) 19:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Note that this issue has been discussed before at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive257#Mike Kelly (gridiron_football). Jweiss11 (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Also worth considering the treatment of a similar incident on another bio article for a football coach: Michael Haywood. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Have to say that I disagree with the removal, as it is pertinent to what he merits an article for(football). One sentence is not undue. 331dot (talk) 20:38, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@331dot: I added some sourcing and clarified the incident. Please take a look at it stands now. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:19, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
It seems okay to me. I wonder if we should just note the arrest and not state what the arrest was for. 331dot (talk) 21:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Madubani Art Page[edit]

Dear Sir We Are From Mithila For Your kind information thies page contant absolutlly wrong because in the name madhubani art is wrong madhubani art is not any art in india this art origin naame in mithila painting /mithila art so please veryfy thies content then publish .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

You can discuss changes on Talk:Madhubani art. Note that we need to reflect reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
...which, in this case, includes an Indian government website, articles in The Hindu, books, etc., all calling it "Madhubani". —[AlanM1(talk)]— 08:20, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Watchlist tag filters[edit]

Sup Helpdeskers. D'you happen to know whether it's possible to invert the selcted tags? I.e. so that the watchlist excludes them rather than includes them? ——SN54129 18:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Main Page[edit]

Suppose the Main Page was vandalized by an admin. Since it is the most viewed page, would the normal procedures for vandalism (revert, warn, report, block) happen or something more? Interstellarity (talk) 20:17, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Interstellarity I hope you are speaking hypothetically, but if an admin engages in vandalism, it should be reported just as any other instance of vandalism, as admins do not 'outrank' non-admins, we just have extra buttons. 331dot (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@331dot: Yes, this is hypothetically. If I were an admin, I would never do that. Would the admin just get blocked like any other user? Interstellarity (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes. There has been cases of admin accounts being hacked or otherwise controlled by someone else that needed to be blocked and have the admin powers removed at least temporarily. If it were the admin themselves, there would likely be a discussion about their future status. 331dot (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@331dot: That's clear to me. I was just curious about what would happen if it it really happened which hopefully won't happen anytime soon. Interstellarity (talk) 21:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
I would hope/think that seeing evidence of an admin "going round the bend" would be handled with high priority, because of the potential trouble that can be inflicted with those "extra buttons". Sadly, it's not like it's out of the realm of possibilities any more, either. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 08:33, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


How does one become a member of the "editorial board" of Wikipedia? I see all sorts of people reverting stuff and offering to block others. How do you attain this position of trust?Gustapus (talk) 23:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Gustapus. There is no "editorial board". You have edited this page, so you are a Wikipedia editor. Anybody may revert an edit if they think doing so will improve the encyclopaedia: the process that that forms part of is WP:Bold, Revert, Discuss.
Anybody may nominate a page for deletion, or tag an article for various shortcomings, or report another editor for disruptive editing; but doing so before you understand the relevant policies is inadvisable. Drastic actions like deleting pages and blocking users can only be done by admins, and in most cases, only after a public discussion.
In principle anybody may become an admin, but the process involves a public discussion, and generally people will not be appointed admins unless they have a long history of constructive editing, and a reason to want admin powers. (I have been an editor for fourteen years, and have made 16 thousand edits, but have never seen any reason to apply for adminship). See RFA for more on this. --ColinFine (talk) 23:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@Gustapus: as ColinFine says, You are a member of the "editorial board". We all are. We each make editorial decisions every time we edit. If another editor disagrees, they revert the edit, and that is supposed to cause the first editor to initiate a discussion, usually on the affected article's talk page, to reach a consensus, possibly with some escalation (WP:DISPUTE). Once a consensus is reached, the resulting action (e.g., blocking) may require an administrator in some cases, but the admin is supposed to implement the consensus, not dictate it. Like Colin, I have no desire to become an administrator. It's tedious. -Arch dude (talk) 03:33, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

December 14[edit]