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October 20

Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "CIAAW2016" defined multiple times with different content

Hi there, I was browsing Standard atomic weight when I noticed that once of the references has some big red text with the error Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "CIAAW2016" defined multiple times with different content. This ref isn't actually directly defined anywhere in the article, though. It seems to be transcluded in from various templates, via Template:CIAAW2016. Actually, the documentation for this template also has the invalid ref tag error.

I'm not very experienced with templates, so I'm not sure how to fix it. I made an attempt with this edit by making the text value in both switch cases equal, but that didn't seem to work. Does anyone have any insight on what is causing this problem?

Actually, the duplicate text feels like a code smell. Is there perhaps a better way to write that template? Ahiijny (talk) 01:06, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

The error message disappeared when I purged the pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:33, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Oh, that's good then. Thank you! Ahiijny (talk) 08:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Two different names on two different maps but same feature

(This was posted on WP:NORN but that forum is fairly low traffic) I have a question about how WP:NOR applies to maps. File:Micronesia and Marshall islands bathymetry.pdf comes from here and shows two seamounts named Aean̄-Kaņ and Wōd-Eņ Iōn̄. This publication has a differently styled bathymetric map of the same area, and this map shows two seamounts named Marovoiy and Nazimova. Based on a comparison of the two maps, Marovoiy = Aean̄-Kaņ and Wōd-Eņ Iōn̄ = Nazimova; would this conclusion be acceptable under WP:NOR? There is no source explicitly making the connection. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:40, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Not OR, in my opinion. It's a standard technique to extract information like this while comparing landmass timelines using maps and see how the names of locations have changed. Lourdes 09:27, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Be really careful when it comes to disputed naming of Pacific features, as they're one of Wikipedia's perennial hot potatoes. Because of the region's history, it's not unusual for China, Russia, the US, Japan, Korea, and whichever European power happened to reach the region first to have each given something their own name, and some of Wikipedia's most venomous and protracted edit wars have been over the naming of minor Pacific geographical features (because they're too obscure for there to be an obvious WP:COMMONNAME)—Liancourt Rocks, which is currently up to 22 pages of argument about the name and counting, is one that sticks in my mind. In this particular case, I disagree with Lourdes; given the sensitivity, I'd say the only approach you can safely follow in this particular case is to actually describe the sources ("the US government labels it Aean̄-Kaņ, a Russian source labels it Marovoiy") rather than explicitly state that the two terms are synonymous and describe the same feature, or favoring one name over another. ‑ Iridescent 09:34, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
+1 to Iridescent's suggestion. Lourdes 09:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. It looks however like there is not enough material to write a dedicated article, so I've simply added the name information to List of seamounts in the Marshall Islands. It doesn't look like a case of a name change as much like a case where different researchers use different names. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:41, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

How do I merge the pages Working_in_Canada and Canadian_Job_Bank?

Back in March, William Graham proposed that the the page Working_in_Canada be merged in into the page Canadian Job Bank. No one has objected. As someone with some knowledge of Canada and the sites involved, I think this is an excellent idea. As a regular editor, do I have the power to go in and do this, or are some higher level permissions required? If I can do this, which is the best place to find some instructions? If I can't do this on my own, how do I get someone else to do it? Thanks for any help/advice! Frances Woolley Fwoolley (talk) 14:35, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Fwoolley: Please see WP:MERGE. WP:FMERGE gives step by step instructions (it's not as difficult as it looks at first sight!) but you should have a read of the entire page also. Come back if you need more help. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 14:54, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Help fixing link of existing article

Hi, I have an existing published Wiki for "Keith A. Schooley" ( which has recently had one of it's reference links changed to a PDF containing the same exact information from his Wiki article. Reference: "Building Effective Whistleblowing Programs". Murdock Global Advisers. June 2003. Retrieved December 22, 2015. The PDF containing the information has been moved to this location: The original link appears in reference #10 pertaining to this line: (Murdock Global Advisers listed Schooley along with seven other very notable whistleblowers as a result of his actions.[10]) Also, in addition to being at the #10 reference, it is also at #1. Is it possible for someone to remove the defunct link and replace it with the new one containing the original information? Very much appreciated, Hillary Chase — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hillary Chase (talkcontribs) 18:13, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Hillary Chase: Done:
CiaPan (talk) 12:31, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Finding Copyright tag for image

Hi, I am unable to find a copyright tag for an image. The tag is

Licenced under Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported (CC BY-NC-ND 3.0) from an image located at the National Portrait Gallery UK.

It is for the image: File:Sir Leslie Alfred Charles Fry.jpg

At the moment it is unlicensed, and a bot has marked for it for death. Can anybody help. Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 19:47, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, both NonCommercial and NoDerivs are deal killers for us here. We can only accept licenses which permit both commercial re-use and creation of derivative works. So unless you can get the image licensed differently.... --Orange Mike | Talk 19:56, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Orange Mike, so that is what it means. That's why there is no mention of a tag. This is the licence page here, Licensing. Its looks like I need to licence it using Fair Use. scope_creep (talk) 20:15, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Technically, fair use is not a license. It is a claim of a very narrowly-drafted exception to the rights which the photographer has in a work done 60 years ago. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:44, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Tigraan, the template was knackered, but it is now fixed. I know, I have done a few of these Fair Use images, 170 odd I think. The copyright is truly byzantine. Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 12:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


Hi, I have a question about the review of article submissions.

I submitted an arcitle for review in June and haven't heard back yet. I just wanted to ask what I can do about this, since all my other articles were review within a few days.

Thanks Modussiccandi (talk) 20:26, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

@Modussiccandi: Draft:Siegburger_SV_04 has already been reviewed. If that is not it, please provide a link to the draft that you submitted for review. RudolfRed (talk) 21:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Note: It was re-submitted in July but little if anything was added to help it achieve notability. Eagleash (talk) 21:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

October 21

Account Creation Interface

Hi, I was reading more pages about how to use Wikipedia(its features, etc) and I came across Account Creation Interface and I accidentally registered even though I do not meet the requirements. I meant to press cancel, but since my computer is pretty laggy, it "approved" my request.

How do I remove my request?

Thanks. --Boothsift (talk) 01:10, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Boothsift, I've declined your application to WP:ACC for you. :) stwalkerster (talk) 02:10, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

wish to cancel account

please cancel my account — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Since you did not log in, we do not know who you are. You are free to simply quit editing, or you may choose to blank or otherwise modify your user page. See Wikipedia:Retiring. -Arch dude (talk) 02:20, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Existence of God sidebar

I tried to add Spinoza's argument from the origin of the idea of God to the sidebar, but instead the sidebar has gone wrong, and now shows coding instead of a sidebar. I don't know how to go back on editing and reverse the process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

You missed an ending ] in [1]. It has already been reverted. See Help:Reverting. Click "Show preview" to test your edit before saving. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:31, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Help moving page

hello, I'm trying to get a draft moved to become a public article but I don't have the privileges to move articles yet, can I get some help with that? I am leading a class on digital humanities tomorrow and will be asking students in the CRDM program to register with Wikipedia and help to fill out our program page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etjohnso (talkcontribs) 20:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Etjohnso: Hello, unfortunately that would be a mass conflict of interest. You would have to have someone else do it as to keep a NPOV. Thanks, Kb03 (talk) 21:51, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Alos, Etjohnso, if that draft is moved to mainspace, it is liable to be deleted very quickly, as it makes no attempt to establish that the course is notable. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article, or people associated with it, say, know, or think, about the subject. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about it. It follows that unless there is substantial independently published material about a subject, no article can be written on it: that is what we mean by Notability in the Wikipedia world. Most universities, and some departments of universities, have enough published about them to give them notability, but not many university programs. Have you read Wikipedia:Education program/Educators? --ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Creating an article

Hi Wiki,

I am trying to create an article for Obi Ozor, my CEO and I already have it drafted in a google doc.

It's been difficult adapting the template I created on the google doc on here.

Please is it possible I get assistance with it from over there? I could share the URL for the google doc with the team.

Awaiting your response.

Kind Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adebowale.J (talkcontribs) 22:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Adebowale.J. Wikipedia doesn't work like that. There isn't a "team": there are thousands of volunteer editors, who work on what they choose to work on. It is not easy creating a new article on Wikipedia, and I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months working on some of our six million existing articles (many of which could do with a lot of improvement) and learning how Wikipedia works before trying the challenging task of creating a new one. Furthermore, writing about somebody connected with you is even harder, because of your Conflict of interest: you are strongly discouraged from doing this (follow the link to see why). This is even more so if you are in any way paid to do this: you are required to make a declaration if that is the case.
Wikipedia will accept an article on Mr Ozor only if he meets the criteria for notability (in the special way Wikipedia uses the word): this means that several people who have no connection with him or his company have chosen to publish material about him, in reliable places (such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers): the article should be almost entirely based on these sources. Very little in the article should come from him himself, or from the company. Because of your connection, you are likely to find it difficult to keep to what has been independently published; and you may also find it hard to write in a neutral way about your CEO.
Finally, you should be aware that if you succeed in writing an article about your CEO that is accepted into Wikipedia, you (and he) will have no control over its contents thereafter: any editor will be free to edit it as they see fit, according to Wikipedia's rules and policies and what the published sources say. You might like to look at the essay An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.
I'm sorry to sound so discouraging; but we have many people who mistake Wikipedia for a business directory, and think they can just post a profile here; they ofteny have a frustrating experience, so I wanted to warn you before you get too far into it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

October 22

Swing in waltz and foxtrot

I wonder why the article on foxtrot does not include the term "swing." In Europe and elsewhere, waltz and foxtrot are referred to as "swing dancing," (which has nothing to do with American swing dances such as East Coast Swing or West Coast Swing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. We are all volunteers, and each of of (about 100,000 of us this month) does whatever we get interested in. Please make this addition to the article yourself, but be sure to cite reliable sources (WP:RS). If you are not comfortable doing this, then please open a new section on the article's talk page and make your suggestion there. -Arch dude (talk) 04:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, the article on Foxtrot does include the term "swing" (e.g. "Today, the dance is customarily accompanied by the same big band music to which swing is also danced.") As Archdude mentions, you may choose to add more material on the connection between the two dance genres within the article, using reliable sources as citations. Do note that we also have a separate article for Swing dancing. Thanks, Lourdes 05:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Weird references rendering

Hello, why exactly is ref no. 24 here rendered so awkardly with regard to the excessive spacing before and after the line starting with Urbina, Ian (October 20, 2009)?--Neufund (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't see any excessive spacing before and after that line, Neufund. --ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Well, that's funny, since I actually do!--Neufund (talk) 15:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
PS: The same problem occurs to me with the line Gueco, Luverne B. (24 September 2005) here: On my screen, a giant space is displayed before that line.--Neufund (talk) 15:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm seeing the extra space for certain window widths, using Firefox 62.0.3. I've no idea of the cause, though. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
It appears to be caused by the CSS for list items of the class .nocolbreak that use page-break-inside: avoid; --Vexations (talk) 21:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I can't see any strange spacing neither in Google Chrome (version 70.0) nor in MS IE (11), except that the first bullet of the list is in separate line from the caret symbol (which links back to the place in Lawsuits section, where the ref is inserted). --CiaPan (talk) 10:12, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


My posts on Pitcairn were removed. I live here! Nicolas Kennedy is the new admin here, has been for 3 months. No one ever calls the pidgin 'pitcairnese'. Never heard that term before. It is PITKERN! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shudie (talkcontribs) 17:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Shudie, and thank you for your contributions to the encyclopaedia. Only one edit was reverted, and this was done in error by an automatic process that detected your removal of a link to another article. A human editor would just have put the link back, but software bots don't always have the ability to think logically. There is a message on your talk page with the opportunity to report the mistake by "Cluebot NG" (the automatic process). I've re-done your edits that were reverted, and I hope they will now not be removed again. Please continue your good work to correct any errors that you find, and let us know if you have any more problems. Best wishes from an island in the Atlantic to an island in the Pacific. Dbfirs 21:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Maximum size of cited article in source

Hi Folks, Please take a look at David Dunger. Hugely important research roughly 6000 times, but it has come with an enormous number of names as co-authors. Any ideas. Is there something you put, et. all at the end? Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 20:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

You can use the |display-authors=x parameter where x is a number which determines the number of authors to list before appending 'et al'. I have done that now. But on a personal note, even the source text is over bloated now and there's no harm in reducing them to say the first 10, as the article gets more content.–Ammarpad (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ammarpad, thanks, that's worked fine. scope_creep (talk) 05:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Getting back to editing


I am a new member and I seem to have lost my way.

1. How do I get back to editing? I used to get prompts to start editing a new article and since I made a user page that doesn't happen anymore. 2. How do I verify my user page and see what information is relevant here? Can I see examples of what other's have on their user pages? 3. How do I respond to someone through talk? I clicked on her name but did not see a text box to add my message.

Thanks for your help. My best, Julie Kling — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julie Kling (talkcontribs) 22:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Julie Kling Welcome - here's a good tutorial on editing. Wikipedia:Tutorial/Editing. Cheers, TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:02, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
@Julie Kling: welocme back to Wikipedia. There is also a good tutorial on how to use User Talk pages at Wikipedia:Tutorial/Talk pages. You will probably have questions after reading these, so please come back and ask as often as you need. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

October 23

Login / 2fa problem?

I'm having problems logging in.

Actually, I'm logged in to Wikipedia on my computer just fine. I'm trying to log in on the Wikipedia app on my phone. It asks for my username and password, which I provide, and then I click login. It then goes to another sign in page with username, password, and "Two-Factor Authentication Code". I *thought* that I would get a code from "Google Authenticator", but when I do that it says "failed".

Any ideas? SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:15, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

I know this must be obvious, but have you ever set up two-factor authentication SatyrTN on your account? Lourdes 14:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks - yes, and I'm sure this is part of the problem. I have a new phone, and it seems Google Authenticator didn't transfer well. I had it set up on the old phone, but I'm not sure that it's set up on the new one. Is there a way to tell what apps are set up in Authenticator? It's not obvious in the app. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy Keep on Gosnell?

Gosnell: The Trial of America's Biggest Serial Killer is a recent movie about Kermit Gosnell, an abortion doctor who was later convicted of murder for killing infants after born alive. Obviously, such a movie is political. The page has sources from NBC News, CNN, The New York Times, Fortune, The Washington Times, The New York Post, Slate, a local NBC affiliate, The Washington Examiner, The Wall Street Journal, and The Seattle Times. Most of these are articles focusing on the movie so not just reliable sources but showing notability. However, it was nominated for deletion [2] despite this. The reason given was that it has a low number of nationally recognized reviews, however, it seems more notable for politics than for film critics. Is this a case that meets the criteria for Wikipedia:Speedy keep? If so, can we implement a speedy keep? Thank you. >> M.P.Schneider,LC (parlemusfeci) 01:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Its deletion is being debated here. I see a number of "Keep" votes from editors who say "it's real" and appear unaware of Wikipedia's definition of notability. Maproom (talk) 09:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
I Agree that not all Keep votes clearly understand notability. However, when you look at the sources mentioned by User:Timtempleton, User:DynaGirl, User:Cobraman202, and myself it is hard to argue it is not notable. I can't imagine something could have articles specifically on it in so many major sources and be considered non-notable. User:DynaGirl notes that it falls under WP:GNG more than WP:NFILM as it's coverage as a political movie is more than as a movie reviewed by critics. That's why User:Timtempleton argued for invoking snow relating to WP:NFP. I posted here originally as I reviewed such policies but was not certain of their application as I had not dealt with such a case before. >> M.P.Schneider,LC (parlemusfeci) 14:14, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Update article & retire/delete associated article

Can someone advise how I retire one article in favour of another? I believe that one of a pair of related articles can be amended to adequately reflect the subject area, making the companion article redundant. This would require the surviving article to assume the title of the redundant article, and for the redundant article to be deleted. First I am going to set out my proposals on the relevant talk pages, but if I obtain agreement, how would this actually be achieved in terms of management of the articles themselves? Clivemacd (talk) 11:22, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

This may seem like a benign question, but does anyone know how I can add the country that I live in and there flag to my wiki bio?

Hello my name is Jad Assi I am relatively new to Wikipedia and saw that people are able to tell other community members the country that they currently live in on the wiki bio which is neat. I was hoping that someone could help me learn how to do that.

Thank you in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jadassi (talkcontribs) 16:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Jadassi: To tell others where you live add {{User lives in|your country}} to your user page --Danski454 (talk) 16:35, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
@Danski454: Thank you very much!

Michael Webb

moved from talk page -- zzuuzz (talk) 17:17, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Help us! Someone has posted false information about Michael Webb architect. The picture that appears in the search is NOT Michael Webb, also. Wikipedia won't let us edit it. They revert back to the false information. Do we need a lawyer? Why are you doing this to us. Nancy Wozniak and Michael Webb Nancywozniak (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Nancywozniak: Just a word of advice, please don't mention lawyers or legal action (see WP:NLT). Also, you can now edit this page if you wish. -- zzuuzz (talk) 17:17, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
@Nancywozniak: Unfortunately this page had to be edit-protected (only temporary) due to some serious vandalism - sorry for the inconvenience. To answer your question, the article Michael Webb (architect) has no images. The image you probably saw in a Google search result has no connection to Wikipedia (despite its confusing annotation). If you want to get this specific Google-related image changed, please use the "Feedback" button in the lower right corner of the Google search text to complain to Google directly. One more important point: as you seem to have a conflict of interest, please do not edit the article directly but request changes on the article's talkpage Talk:Michael Webb (architect). I have posted some additional links about this aspect on your user talkpage. Thank you for your consideration. GermanJoe (talk) 17:27, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


Moved from WT:Help desk: ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

There's something wrong with the third paragraph of the Diacritic article, and it was wrong before I fixed a typo. Here's the code:

In other alphabetic systems, diacritical marks may perform other functions. Vowel pointing systems, namely the Arabic harakat ( ـِ ,ـُ ,ـَ, etc.) and the Hebrew niqqud ( ַ◌, ֶ◌, ִ◌, ֹ◌, ֻ◌, etc.) systems, indicate vowels that are not conveyed by the basic alphabet. The Indic virama ( ् etc.) and the Arabic sukūn ( ـْـ‎ ) mark the absence of vowels. Cantillation marks indicate prosody. Other uses include the Early Cyrillic titlo stroke ( ◌҃ ) and the Hebrew gershayim ( ״‎ ), which, respectively, mark abbreviations or acronyms, and Greek diacritical marks, which showed that letters of the alphabet were being used as numerals. In the Hanyu Pinyin official romanization system for Chinese, diacritics are used to mark the tones of the syllables in which the marked vowels occur.

If you change the width of your screen, the word layout changes, and some of the text becomes right-to-left highlightable. On my screen at normal zoom, the second line begins with the last niqqud, a parenthesis, and "mark the absence of vowels." The third line begins with an Arabic character, a parenthesis, and ", which, respectively," The fourth line begins "letters of the alphabet were being used as numerals" and there is no left parenthesis. The fifth line consists of "vowels occur." If you click on "Other uses include..." and try to highlight text farther left, some words get highlighted and others don't. And some of the text reads like this: "mark the absence of vowels. Cantillation marks indicate prosody. systems, indicate vowels that are not conveyed by the basic alphabet...Greek diacritical marks, which showed that Other uses include the Early Cyrillic titlo stroke ( ◌҃ ) and the Hebrew gershayim ( letters of the alphabet I don't know how to fix it. Can someone help? (talk) 15:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

I looked over this a bit (expertise level low...) and the problem seems to be something with the {{as written}} template following the word "niqqud". When I eliminate that entire template, the preview comes out correct, but I haven't been able to figure out how to change the template around (rtl parameter in the lang template, removing the as written template, removing some of the characters, etc) to get it to settle in. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)