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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
February 27 1
April 9 1
April 10 1
May 8 1
May 9 1 1
May 10 1
May 14 1
May 20 1
June 1 1
June 5 1
June 10 1 1
June 13 1
June 14 2
June 16 1
June 17 1
June 22 1 1
June 25 1
June 26 1
June 30 1
July 6 1
July 7 2
July 8 1 1
July 9 1
July 10 2 1
July 11 2
July 15 2
July 16 2 1
July 17 2
July 18 1
July 19 3
July 20 1 1
July 21 4 1
July 22 2 1
July 23 5 1
July 24 3 2
July 25 6 3
July 26 3
July 27 3 1
July 28 5 3
July 29 6 3
July 30 1
July 31 4 3
August 1 9 3
August 2 9 7
August 3 8 3
August 4 13 8
August 5 11 5
August 6 10 6
August 7 11 7
August 8 10 6
August 9 10 7
August 10 11 5
August 11 7 3
August 12 9 5
August 13 10 4
August 14 12 3
August 15 10 2
August 16 1
Total 233 99
Last updated 17:29, 16 August 2018 UTC
Current time is 17:37, 16 August 2018 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
  • Add a link to the nomination subpage at Wikipedia:Did you know/Removed to help in tracking removals.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on February 27[edit]

Tribune East Tower

Tribune Tower property
Tribune Tower property
  • ... that the proposed Tribune East Tower is part of redevelopment plans for the Tribune Tower property whose views are being protected by local politicians?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 23:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new and long enough. Sourced adequately. Within policy. QPQ done. Hook is within formatting guidelines, but not particularly "hooky". However, I think it's decent enough to pass unless another reviewer vehemently agrees that a different hook is necessary. This is my first DYK review so let me know if there are any problems with my review. I'm still learning. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 18:46, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The hook facts are not made out in the article which does not mention politicians. Could we have a different hook please? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
  • The current article has a well sourced sentence that says: "...prospective buyers of the Tribune Tower property had redevelopment plans that were at odds with local interests to protect views of the Tower..." So I'll go with ALT1, which just removes the last three words of the original hook.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:49, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
I find the phrase "whose views are being protected" somewhat ambiguous. How about expressing it differently as in ALT2? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps @Skyes(BYU): could consider the wording of ALT2 and give it a tick if appropriate. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 16:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg The article is pretty short, so I'm not sure there is any way to make it more "hooky". If anything, the hook is more clear now and not as overly wordy. It sounds great! Skyes(BYU) (talk) 17:45, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The reason it's so hard to come up with a hook is because there's hardly any information in the article to work with. It reads like a bulletin in a business magazine. I do not think this article meets Rule D7 in its present form. Yoninah (talk) 00:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks, TonyTheTiger, for your new hooks. ALT4 is great – short and snappy. ALT5 is okay, but the part about surpassing Trump Tower as the second-tallest building is not in the article. The article only cites the January 2018 plans where Tribune East Tower would be shorter than Trump Tower. I'll go ahead and approve ALT4, with the hook ref verified and cited inline. Yoninah (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger, TheGridExe, Gatoclass, and Yoninah: Any updates? It has been almost a month since the last comment. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I didn't know you provided an update, TonyTheTiger. My apologies. I still think it's presenting something that is still in the planning phase. I'm abstaining to vote since I simply don't know in this gray area. – TheGridExe (talk) 19:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As far as I can tell, yes there are WP:CRYSTAL issues. However, they can be avoided if there's proper attribution and the like. Perhaps the hooks can be rewritten as "the developers have claimed that if completed..."? I'm not sure myself but that might be one option moving forward. That or a different hook may need to be proposed here. Like, how about a hook saying that the tower is being designed by the same company that designed the Burj Khalifa? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:15, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: Can this DYK be delayed until the building is completed? And the article gets upgraded to GA? Say 2021? David notMD (talk) 11:03, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
    I think this could be put on a special hold and allowed to be dyk promoted at any later time. Szzuk (talk) 14:38, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
    That would be odd. I have DYKed a lot of buildings early along in development.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:38, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
    Comment: Apologies to TonyTheTiger. My comment was intended as a wry note that this is now the oldest active DYK, not on the concept of an article or a DYK for a yet-to-be started building. David notMD (talk) 13:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comments that are not on topic have the unfortunate effect of further delaying a long-delayed nomination, whether taken seriously or not, as this one seems to have been. (In my experience, the more posts made after the red "please review" arrow, the less likely a reviewer is to take on a nomination.) Contrary to Szzuk's suggestion, there is no such thing as a special hold, and this nomination would have to be closed and a new nomination created at a later time. The real question is whether, at the present time, there are truly WP:CRYSTAL issues or not. If so, the nomination is simply closed; if not, the nomination should proceed. (In the former case, a subsequent nomination once the issues are past, either with a 5x expansion or at GA, would certainly be in order.) BlueMoonset (talk) 16:20, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Abstain: I have no experience with articles about buildings or construction. I had commented only that this was taking a long time. David notMD (talk) 01:25, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
The CRYSTAL issues refer to the article itself not this nomination. I don't see why we should not proceed along the lines of ALT4. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:43, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
I am by no means an expert on Wikipedia policies; I am still learning everyday. I didn't realize that this DYK nomination was still taking place. I took myself out of the discussion, because I figured that I was not knowledgeable enough to continue voicing my opinion about this nomination. If you are at all interested, after taking a look at the article again, I personally don't think that it violates WP:Crystal due to verifiability provided by the source articles and notability being that the building would be the second tallest in Chicago. I think Alt 4 is fine. It's alright if people don't agree, but my opinion was requested so I provided it. Best of luck to all, Skyes(BYU) (talk) 17:31, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm OK with ALT4. We allow speculative articles as long as their verified. Szzuk (talk) 21:52, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
    Also, since the question was asked by Narutolovehinata above; we're 3 to pass this, with 1 abstain and 0 fails. Szzuk (talk) 21:57, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 9[edit]


Created by WhatamIdoing (talk). Self-nominated at 23:56, 16 April 2018 (UTC).

  • Starting the review.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:32, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
  • New enough.
  • Long enough.
  • Well-sourced, with one error in formatting (confusion with article title/work) that I've fixed.
  • No close paraphrasing detected.
  • Neutral tone.
  • The hook is properly formatted, short enough, neutral and interesting.
Symbol question.svg *User:WhatamIdoing: Do you have a QPQ please?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:14, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
I don't think that I have five DYK credits yet, but I reviewed Superfest International Disability Film Festival last year. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:23, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg By "I don't think", I assume you mean "I am positive I don't." So it's fine.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:10, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hello, I came by to promote this, but the article right now has a big "{{Globalize}}" template in one of its sections. This might need to be resolved first before this is approved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
User:SteveMcCluskey: I removed it as undue. Wikipedia is a work in progress, everything could potentially be improved, but I don't see it as a pressing issue and if it's going to block the DYK, that's not good. The issue could potentially be addressed afterwards, although I don't see it as a problem frankly.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:26, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg It seems there are no more objections from SteveMcCluskey so I am restoring Zigzig20s' tick. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:47, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg The hook is decidedly not neutral as there are sources (now cited in the article) that put history (and other humanistic disciplines) within the sciences. SteveMcCluskey (talk) 15:36, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Not really. Archeology is not history, stricto sensu. History would be the interpretation (or commentary) of archaeological discoveries. Zigzig20s (talk) 02:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@Zigzig20s: Do you have any suggestions for alternative hooks? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
I think the suggested hook works, as archeology is not history. It's a tool of history, like statistics or geography.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@SteveMcCluskey: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:25, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello, all, I understand that there's some legitimate disagreement about classifying archaeology in this concept (i.e., a concept that separates natural sciences and similar disciplines from other knowledge-generating activities, like religion and art), because archaeology contains both science and non-science aspects, and any given researcher's work might be best described as one label or the other. Steve added information about the OECD's bureaucratic numbering system, but archaeology isn't really the important example there. The OECD's list explicitly includes the whole of humanities as one of the six areas of science and technology. This means that the OECD believes that (for their funding and statistical purposes) art and religion are "sciences". Opera and religious ceremonies are all perfectly fine in their own way, and they are perfectly legitimate Wissenschaftlich subjects – but they are not Science (in what Steve calls the English sense of the word, i.e., the only sense that's actually relevant for this article). The point of the OECD classification is that when a government gives a grant to encourage religious participation, then that should be called "science and technology research". The point of this concept is that religion is not science.
Also, as a general point, I'd like to say that a bureaucratic classification system is a weak source for deciding how one ought to organize knowledge. Epistemiology is an ancient academic subject that is not constrained by the rules written 12 years ago about how governments ought to report their research and development spending to another government agency that they hope will give them money. But if Steve really believes that's the true definition, then I'd invite him to add that definition to Science and see if he can get a consensus for it. If editors agree to re-define Science as including all of these "non-science" subjects, such as the entire list of things called "Humanities" in the OECD list, then we could merge this article away and be done with it. But if they don't – if, as I suspect they will, they insist upon defining Science as being only and exclusively systematic knowledge of a particular kind, and therefore all other knowledge is not science – then we should set the subject of this article accordingly (and probably link to Wissenschaft in the article about the OECD's FOS categories, so readers don't get so confused about religion being considered "science and technology"). WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
  • @WhatamIdoing: Do you have alternative suggestions for a hook then? It seems the original won't fly. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
    • Why isn't the original acceptable? It's sourced, and it's the mainstream position. Finding "history" listed in a document about how to report government funding of "science and technology" does not actually prove that there is a general consensus that history is science. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:27, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
      • @WhatamIdoing: I'm personally fine with the hook, it's SteveMcCluskey who has issues with it. Anyway I took a look at the source given in the article, and while it suggests history is considered a non-science, the same article suggests that there's significant debate on the matter and the status of history as a science or non-science is controversial. I suppose to be on the safe side, an alternate hook is suggested here while the original hook remains under discussion. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:17, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
        • The cited source says, "The English word “science” is primarily used about the natural sciences and other fields of research that are considered to be similar to them. Hence, political economy and sociology are counted as sciences, whereas studies of literature and history are usually not." That doesn't sound like classifying history as non-science is controversial. At minimum, it's no more controversial than the whole (English and French) idea that there is some significant difference between the study of physics and the study of morality, which some (mostly German- and Dutch-speaking) philosophers reject. It is true that some historians in the 19th century tried to re-define science to include the historians' particular style of creating knowledge, but it didn't fly. (See Nomothetic and idiographic for some of that; 'the proton always behaves thusly under these circumstances' is nomothetic knowledge, but 'this Great Man, in this time and place, behaved thusly' is idiographic.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:53, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
          • My concern is that the article can be read as taking non-science as an inferior grade of "knowledge" -- or even as not being real knowledge at all. Hanssen nicely addresses this issue in his article in the Encyclopedia of Philosophy: "The German term [Wissenschaft] has the advantage of more adequately delimiting of [sic] the type of systematic knowledge that is at stake in the conflict between science and pseudoscience. The misrepresentations of history presented by Holocaust deniers and other pseudo-historians are very similar in nature to the misrepresentations of natural science promoted by creationists and homeopaths." Unfortunately, this important concern is not addressed by the Wikipedia article Non-science, which is one of my problems with it. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 19:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
            • I think that having this article at all is the first step in addressing your concern. Step 1 in not thinking that non-science is bad information is discovering that (most) non-science is things like history and art and literature, rather than things like lies and fraud. Can you give an example of a sentence in the article that implies that non-science is inferior? I can understand reading it and learning that some non-science is inferior, but that's the parts of non-science that wouldn't be considered Wissenschaft, either. To put it another way, . WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @WhatamIdoing: It has been one month since the last major edits to the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:03, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Narutolovehinata5, I am not planning any further major changes. The concerns about Wissenschaft are orthogonal – they are, essentially, that this idea should not exist, because people ought to divide knowledge into scholarly vs non-scholarly rather than scientific vs non-scientific. I agree that often they should, but (for other purposes) they shouldn't, and more to the point, they frequently don't. I really don't think there is anything actionable in those comments. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As it appears we're currently stuck, I'm now requesting another uninvolved user to continue this review. Fresh minds are needed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • The article seems fine from a neutrality standpoint. If the reader comes away thinking that the humanities is the same as holocaust denial and homeopathy, then that's probably saying more about the reader than it is about the article. The first hook is a little bland. Could go with something like ...that no single test has yet been devised that can clearly separate science from non-science?, although with the quote given in the citation, I'm not sure it's perfectly supported by the source, but may rather be inferred from the source. If you wanted to go with something with more purposefully dry humor, could go with something like ...that non-science includes all areas of study that are not science? GMGtalk
  • I think the original hook is fine. Far from being bland, I think the concision is provocative and hence effective as a hook (it worked on me). It's true enough as a general statement and for the nuances people can read the article. More to the point, it's supported by a good source, which is all the DYK rules require. I agree with a lot of what Steve has said, but I don't think it's fair to hold up this DYK for months based on some rather nonspecific concerns that don't directly relate to the hook. – Joe (talk) 07:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment 28/7 I came here to review this, per WT:DYK. What a Mons it's turned out to be. But, since there are now no issues with the article itself, and the major concerns seem esoteric at the best: we need to keep the hook hooky, and tie it tightly to the article. So let's remove "history" as the butt, and replace it with the more alliterative
ALT1:... that the history of science is non-science?

Articles created/expanded on May 8[edit]

2018–19 RFU Championship

Created by Steven a91 (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 19:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article checks out the requirements: it's new enough, long enough, adequately sourced, with appropriately-licensed images, and with a QPQ provided by the nominator. Earwigs gives a score of 2.0% confirming that it has no copyright infringing material or plagiarism. However, @Steven a91 and The C of E:, I have concerns about the hook: while rugby is a popular sport worldwide, I'm not sure if the hook is interesting to a broad audience since the British and Irish Cup may not be familiar to those who do not regularly follow rugby. Perhaps an alternate hook could be suggested here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah, Cwmhiraeth, BlueMoonset, Gatoclass, and The Rambling Man: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:47, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Basically meaningless jargon and almost certain to drive readers away. Either more links are required or a different hook should be proposed which complies with the DYK rules (see 3a - interesting to a broad audience.") This clearly does not meet that requirement. (P.S. I played rugby for ten years, and I certainly don't think this is even that interesting to a rugby fan, let alone "a broad audience). The Rambling Man (talk) 06:53, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
    • ALT1 ...that Coventry RFC will return to the 2018–19 RFU Championship for the first time in eight years?
    • ALT2 ... that the 2018–19 RFU Championship will feature London Irish after their relegation from the Premiership? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
      Both boring, just plain statements of what happens in a league structure. Teams go up, teams go down. And the refusal to link the teams is detrimental to the reader who may not be aware of "London Irish" for example. This may be one of those articles which just needs to be failed because it contains nothing of interest to a broad audience. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
      • In your opinion of course, Interest is subjective and furthermore I am not "refusing" to link the teams as I do not want WP:OLINK and I can leave it to the prep builder if they want to add extra links. Nevertheless ALT3 ... that the 2018–19 RFU Championship will be the first season of English rugby's second tier without Rotherham Titans in 14 years? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:49, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
        • I'm sorry, but I think I may have to agree with TRM on this one. None of the other alternate hooks appear interesting to a broad audience (if anything, perhaps ALT2 might be the closest to being interesting; perhaps it could be approved with some changes). This is because, honestly, few non-rugby fans would be aware of these teams and thus won't be able to appreciate the hook. At the very least, I suppose I suggest we stick with ALT2 and find a way to make it have a broader appeal (as the London Irish appear to be a particularly famous team in the world of rugby union). Narutolovehinata5 t ccsdnew 08:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
        • I'm just ensuring you comply with DYK rule 3a. These proposed hooks are, of course, not interesting to a broad audience. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:07, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

The original hook looks okay to me but you'd have to link British and Irish Cup. I'm not keen on the alts, I'm inclined to agree with the others that relegations up and down are pretty standard fare. Gatoclass (talk) 10:30, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: I don't see what the error here is: if it's officially called the British and Irish Cup but it was English teams that withdrew, then I'm not sure how that's an error. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:23, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Which blurb are you asserting is the one to post? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: ALT0 since that appears to be the preference of both the nominator and Gatoclass. Personally I don't have a preferred hook at the moment. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, so see above. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to try to help. I know nothing about rugby. The article doesn't seem to have much material to draw on for a hook; maybe it should be expanded? In the meantime, I wonder if you could do something hooky resembling a final score, like:
  • ALT3: ... that the teams playing in the 2018–19 RFU Championship are 11–1? Yoninah (talk) 19:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't understand that one at all @Yoninah:, sorry (where is 11-1 in the article anyway?). Would you be able to look at the others originally proposed please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 23:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @The C of E: I was trying to work something around the 11 English teams and 1 Jersey team in the championship. Like the other editors here, I don't find the other hooks particularly interesting. Yoninah (talk) 17:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • OK I get it now. Well I have no problems with it but I do suspect some may raise their eyebrows like I did but would be happy for it to go forward @Yoninah:. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 23:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg OK. New reviewer needed for ALT3. Yoninah (talk) 18:40, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment. The article is quite sterile and devoid of much that is hooky...however something could be made along the lines of ... that Coventry RFC were promoted and will play in the 2018-2019 RFU championship at their home ground Butts Park Arena? I'm not sure if this is a joke or a real suggestion either way content needs to be added to the article. Szzuk (talk) 18:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 10[edit]


Campanino apples (National Fruit Collection, UK)
Campanino apples (National Fruit Collection, UK)
  • ... that Campanino apples (pictured) have high content of antioxidants (up to four times more than Golden Delicious apples), high content of pectin and polyphenols, as well as ascorbic acid (vitamin C)? Source: E. Cocci; G. Sacchetti; M. Carboni; G.G. Pinnavaia; D. Mastrocola (2003). "Caratterizzazione e valorizzazione tecnologica di antiche varietà di melo dell'Emilia Romagna: studio sulle proprietà funzionali di trasformati in purea". Rivista di Frutticoltura (3): 69-72. , cited here
    • ALT1:...that Campanino apples (pictured) can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, without any use of refrigeration? Source: Agriculture department of Regione Emilia-Romagna; Sacchetti G.; Cocci E.; Pinnavaia G.G.; Mastrocola D.; Dalla Rosa M. (2008). "Influence of processing and storage on the activity of apple derivates". International Journal of Food Science and Technology (43): 797-804. , cited here
    • ATL2: ...that Campanino apples (pictured) can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, since their flesh is hard like marble? Source: "Mela campanina di Modena". Tradizioni e sapori di Modena (in Italian). Camera di Commercio di Modena. 

Created by Holapaco77 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:02, 11 May 2018 (UTC).


Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - The first hook seems too technical to be easily verifiable from an Italian language source. ALT1 is better but the source seems to indicate that the apples were preserved using natural cold and frost. That might not be easy and is arguably a natural form of refrigeration. I suggest focussing on the fact that the frost makes them taste better.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Andrew D. (talk) 21:06, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

  • @Holapaco77: Hello, it has been almost two months since the last comments in this nomination, and some paragraphs are still unsourced. Please source them as soon as possible so that this nomination can proceed. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson:@Narutolovehinata5:  Done, all paragraph have citations now. Thanks you. --Holapaco77 (talk) 11:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Noted. While I'm almost ready to approve this, Andrew has some suggestions for the hook and it might be needed to take them into account. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:27, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, actually the area of origin of this apple is Modena, Italy, where there is a humid mediterranean climate (see: Modena#Climate), so there is not any "natural cold" in this area. Campanino apple lasts so long (120-180 days, instead of 60-90 days of "normal" average apples) because the flesh is very hard (they say "like the marble") and the harvesting is in middle october, while normal apples are harvested in september. Anyway, the hook can be changed as "...that Campanino apples can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, since their flesh is hard like marble?" (or something like that). --Holapaco77 (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Neither the Wikipedia article nor a google translation of the Italian source say the flesh is hard like marble, so I'm striking those variants. The Wikipedia article says "its white and clean pulp looks like marble", which is much more appealing than breaking one's teeth on something rock-like. The ALT1 hook is appealing, but as noted the original source is somewhat confusing. @Holapaco77, Andrew Davidson, and Narutolovehinata5: One option is to rename the hook ALT1a and support it with a more clearly stated source, see below. I've also added some more information to the article and suggested an ALT2. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:10, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1a:...that Campanino apples (pictured) can be easily preserved for six months after harvesting, without any use of refrigeration? "The main feature that has made it successful since ancient times is the extraordinary preservability that allows, even without refrigeration, to consume fresh and fragrant fruit from the beginning of October, harvesting period, until April." Source: Google translate of Mela campanina di Modena, Tradizioni e sapori di Modena
  • ALT2:...that Campanino apples (pictured) or quinces are cooked with sugar and mustard to make a sweet-hot condiment, mostarda, that has been eaten since the Middle Ages? "The Campanina apples and quinces are the most suitable kinds of fruit used to make our traditional `mostarda` that is generally served with cheese and boiled meat. This product dates back to Medieval and Renaissance times ... The main ingredients are: Campanina apples or quinces, sugar and mustard." Source: Agriturismomantova
I have no objections to the article proceeding. ALT2 is a promising hook but, myself, I'd trim it down to the following. Andrew D. (talk) 12:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 20[edit]

Wally Schirra

  • ... that NASA astronaut Wally Schirra was Walter Cronkite's co-anchor during the seven Moon landings? Source: Schirra, Wally; Billings, Richard (1988). Schirra's Space. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 1-55750-792-9
  • Comment: The source of the hook is on page 221-223

Improved to Good Article status by Balon Greyjoy (talk). Self-nominated at 02:58, 21 May 2018 (UTC).

  • Reviewing... Chris857 (talk) 04:42, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Article was promoted to GA status recently enough, I took the liberty of adding some needed formatting to the hook, hook is short enough and sourced and pretty interesting (though he's got a lot of other interesting stuff).
  • Minor issues:
    • "co-authored the book 1962 We Seven" - I assumed this should say "co-authored the 1962 book We Seven"? Done
    • Per rule 3b, the citation for working with Cronkite has to be no later than the end of that sentence, and it's currently one sentence too far away. Done
    • Is this your first DYK submission? If so, you don't need to do a QPQ review.
    • IMDb seems less than ideal for the portrayal credits. Not a big deal to me or this review, but do we have better options available?
  • Symbol question.svg Chris857 (talk) 04:56, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi Chris857. I am dropping by to try and tidy this up for Balon Greyjoy. My preference would be to keep it simple and move it on. This is the nominator's first DYK so QPQ does not apply. I am inclined to leave the IMDb issue unless you insist. Relevant two sentences in the article tweaked to meet 3b.
Anything else? Gog the Mild (talk) 17:06, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you Gog, this is good to go (AGF on offline sources). I'm not going to hold this up over the IMDb sources. Chris857 (talk) 02:48, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but there is a significant amount of close paraphrasing from this source [1] which is not public domain. I also think it would be easy to cite the films he appeared in by referencing a cast list or movie book. Yoninah (talk) 19:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Narutolovehinata5 I was happy to pick up what looked like a couple of inconsequential points to get the nomination through, but feel uncomfortable doing any serious work on the article. I could sort out the copy vio, if that is all it takes, but "referencing a cast list or movie book" is outside my competence set. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
  • User:Kees08, who made a major contribution to the article and has been heavily involved in articles on several other US astronauts, has volunteered to sort out these issues, but has asked for some time to do so. See here. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:09, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 1[edit]

Mining in Sweden

Created/expanded by Newroderick895 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:01, 10 June 2018 (UTC).

    • @Sam Sailor: I have cleaned up the mess, is it perfectly enough for you to review it right now? Newroderick895 18:08, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    • The English needs basic help, and the distinction needs to be clear between where the metal was mined and where the products were made. Johnbod (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
    • I did a major rewrite of the problem English, so please re-review? This is an interesting article that many readers might like. I notice that the suggested hooks also need some English-improvement, so adding another suggestion:
  • ALT3 ... that the Swedish mining industry plans to demolish a small Arctic town and move it 2 miles away from a rich source of iron ore? Source:https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jul/30/kiruna-the-arctic-city-being-knocked-down-and-relocated-two-miles-awayHouseOfChange (talk) 19:12, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT4 :... that the paint falu red was made in Sweden's Falun Mine?
  • There is a problem with ALT0. The source says that Swedish axe was made, not with Swedish copper but with copper from Cyprus. Therefore the connection to Swedish mining is not strong. HouseOfChange (talk) 19:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Maybe review it anway while i changed it, but too bad i cant put anymore alternatives because it time consuming and i have to go shopping. Maybe soon? Newroderick895 15:48, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 5[edit]

Sega Technical Institute

  • Comment: Article created from redirect on February 19, 2018 and promoted to GA on June 5. First DYK nomination for author.

Improved to Good Article status by Red Phoenix (talk). Self-nominated at 21:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - The sentence in the article that states the fact is uncited. I suggest adding the Retro Gamer article as a reference.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg See above. I prefer the original hook. Philroc (c) 23:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Philroc: Cited. Had not been cited before because I felt it was redundant, but inserted for the sake of DYK now. Red Phoenix talk 01:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Red Phoenix: Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. Philroc (c) 11:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't like this suggested hook, personally. It just feels full of WP:EASTEREGG, and I don't think a hook should be full of Easter eggs - that just feels cheap. I really don't see what was wrong with the one selected; it's a common misconception that all of the Sonic games were developed in Japan by Sonic Team, when that isn't the case, and it's STI's most interesting fact. I mean, you guys tell me what's wrong with it since I've never had a DYK before, but I would find it an interesting hook. I seriously doubt anyone not interested in video games would click it either way. Red Phoenix talk 00:39, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


ALT2: ... that Mark Cerny's aim in establishing Sega Technical Institute was to create an elite game studio that would combine American and Japanese influences? Source: Day, Ashley (2007). "Company Profile: Sega Technical Institute". Retro Gamer. No. 36. Imagine Publishing. pp. 28–33. Philroc (c) 17:16, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Not bad, but it still feels more bland to me than ALT1. As it pertains to The Rambling Man's suggestion, I can fix the articles with issues if needed since my research has turned up some things about both games, but my opinion remains on the subject of it as a hook and what's "hooky". Red Phoenix talk 22:11, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Might a simpler hook work? Maybe not that surprising, but I think it's fairly interesting and it avoids Easter eggs. 'In three years' is open to challenge since they were released within 3 years of one another but might have been in development over a longer period. You could equally strip that out, or replace "made" with "released". › Mortee talk 15:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that the Sega Technical Institute made four Sonic the Hedgehog games in three years?
ALT3b: ... that the Sega Technical Institute made four Sonic the Hedgehog games?
I would be good with either one of those. My only worry is that others will once again say it's not "hooky" enough. Red Phoenix talk 15:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: you objected to the original hook (rightly, imho). Do you think the straightforward approach is viable, or does this need something more intriguing? › Mortee talk 00:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Just trying to come up with more ideas here as well:

ALT4: ... that Yuji Naka moved to the United States to join Sega Technical Institute but had no interest in working with American developers? Source: Thorpe, Nick (2018). "The Making of... Sonic the Hedgehog 2". Retro Gamer Future plc.
ALT5: ... that Sonic the Hedgehog programmer Yuji Naka gave an ultimatum that hurt Sega Technical Institute's development of Sonic X-treme?

I'll admit I've found this DYK frustrating. Hopefully these are more "hook-y" proposals? I feel like we're getting off of the main idea of what makes Sega Technical Institute interesting, but I'll admit I haven't dabbled in DYK before. Red Phoenix talk 03:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

So it goes. I hope it won't put you off submitting other DYKs in the future. You've done a great job on this article, it's just sometimes more difficult than it seems to figure out a one-line enticement for readers. › Mortee talk 09:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 13[edit]


Speaker iconFragment of a popular gosos

Created by Dk1919 Franking (talk) and Sam Sailor (talk). Nominated by Sam Sailor (talk) at 12:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Interesting subject, on good sources, offline and Italian sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The hook is nothing spectacular, sorry. How about something about the many bans? - I would love more lead, answering some questions still open after reading: Are these songs still sung today (and if yes when, where, by whom), or just history? Where does drama come in? - I confess that I find (any) sound examples unattractive, even if licensed. - I understand gosos s a plural term, so would you say a gosos? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your always positive feedback, Gerda Arendt.
    The ultimate question you ask in regards to the word's use in English is best answered by looking at anglophone sources, of which there aren't a whole lot, but the this thesis by Kathleen Boyle uses a gosos, i.e. plurale tantum. In Catalan and Castilian singular forms exist. In Italian, the singular form would appear not to be in use, whereas this paper and this paper both use un gosos, i.e. plurale tantum. Perhaps Dk1919 Franking can comment on the use in Italian?
    I will expand the lead and get back here with an alternative hook; and your suggestions to an ALT would be warmly welcomed, needless to say. Sam Sailor 11:34, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, helped. - I can give you directions for a hook, but if I word one, we need another reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:45, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Sam, will you suggest something? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
May I suggest something along the lines of:
  • ALT1: ... that the gosos, devotional Sardinian songs, have been banned by the King of Spain, the Church and the Italian government?
The significance of Philip's theatrical ban is not made clear in context, so this alt is probably not going to work. I could substitute 'banned' for 'discouraged' or somesuch, but it's nicer when hooks are catchy. I unfortunately don't speak Italian and don't see where, if at all, the government (which I presume to be national and not local) is alleged to have banned the gosos. @Sam Sailor: - can you clarify this for me and ideally give the source and exact quote? ~ Maltrópa loquace 15:07, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for proposing. I feel that any one of them would be interesting enough (maybe not the King). Will wait for Sam. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:35, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
My apologies, (Gerda ArendtMaltrópa), for the delayed reply; allow me a day or two to work on this. Sam Sailor 15:42, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 14[edit]

Hassan Tampuli

* ... that prior to heading the National Petroleum Authority, Hassan Tampuli once secured the release of a Lebanese-Ghanaian journalist from wrongful detention? Source: [2] and [3] Comment

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self-nominated at 13:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Doing...-Nizil (talk) 12:53, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @Crosstemplejay:First, thank you for contributing to Wikipedia and taking interest in DYK. Your article is New, long enough and QPQ done. Few questions and issues: Why article is named Hassan when references states Alhassan? Article also uses Alhassan in the lead. Use his official/most common name as title and add 'also known as' in the lead to avoid confusion. Hook needs a verifiable reference. Ghana Gardian reference only says that "Hassan Tampuli was a Lawyer for Ghanaian-Lebanese journalist and author Fadi Daboussi, and a known NPP loyalist who was invited by the BNI for a defamatory comment made about former President, John Mahama." which does not imply wrongful detention. You need to add precise reference stating it was wrongful detention. In article, you have provided details about the case but it uses the same reference and the other reference is just "Google search result" which can not used as a reference when we can locate the precise information. So please provide the reference in the article so hook can be verified. ALT1 hook should have a reference clearly saying what is said in the hook. So it also needs a new reference. Article has some complex lines like: "As a lawyer, Tampuli took on many cases in which people's fundamental human rights have been infringed upon." which can be simply written like "As a lawyer, Tampuli took on many cases of the human rights violations." This line is not neutral, "As head of NPA, he has been leading the crusade for proper regulation of the petroleum industry in Ghana". Simply write what he is doing at NPA as in the reference, not "leading crusade". Some words like "spent time", "embarked" can be substituted with simple words like "worked at", "took". Check for small grammatical errors. Article can be better divided in following sections: Early life and education, Career/Legal career/Political and administrative career. Link alma mater in the infobox. Everything else looks good. Please ping me after you have addressed these issues. Thank you again for contributing to Wikipedia. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 14:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Thanks for the review. Very happy with the painstaking search you made. I have made major changes so please go through the article and let me know what you think. Thanks once again. CrossTempleJay 11:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg@Crosstemplejay:, thank you for improvements. I have also copyedited a little bit, changed section titles and removed repeated info on his education. Now article looks OK. Now suggest a new hook or change in hook with precise reference because suggested hooks are not clear from references you have provided. "Wrongful detention" is not mentioned in the reference you provided so reword appropriately. There is no other case of human right violation is mentioned and he was working in his capacity as a lawyer, I have to think about that label. Is there any source which mention him as a human rights activist? We can use it and make a new hook from ALT1. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 12:55, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Thanks for your review. I dont know whether you have a problem with the word wrongful because according to the article holding someone in cells for more than 48 hours is indeed wrongful and unconstitutional anyway I will suggest a new hook below. Thanks. CrossTempleJay 11:19, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
* ALT2: ... that Hassan Tampuli prior to heading the National Petroleum Authority, once secured the release of a Lebanese-Ghanaian pilot and author from unconstitutional detention? Source: [6] and [7] Comment
@Crosstemplejay:, I don't have problem with word 'wrongful' or 'unconstitutional' but these words are not mentioned in any reference so I have asked for such references. Even one ref said that it was not politically motivated. So we should not judge it as wrongful if we do not have such reference. Please add references which says he worked for cases of human rights violations because only one case is mentioned and no refs mention him as human rights lawyer. ALT2 should drop nationality of author to make it shorter. I am suggesting a new one below. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 14:24, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Thanks for your review. I have taken the bit about human rights activist out. I am cool with your ALT3 but I am modifying it a bit. Thanks once again. Now all that is left is for another review/reviewer. God bless.CrossTempleJay 13:09, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I am OK with your ALT3a. Now good to go. Thank you for solving out issues patiently and carefully. I appreciate your cooperation. Someone else should have a look and approval of hook. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:, can you check and approve the hook? Its been waiting for more than a month now just for a pair of fresh eyes. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 11:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 16[edit]

Patliputra University

  • ... that ...Patliputra University was created by bifurcation of Magadh University? Source: "Patliputra University, carved out of Magadh University and headquartered in Patna, will have some of the best educational institutions in Patna under it." [8]
    • ALT1:... that ... over 150 professors applied for the post of vice–chancellor of Patliputra University? Source: "The Raj Bhavan’s advertisement for the posts of VC and pro-VC of the yet to be inaugurated Pataliputra University has elicited a very good response as 171 professors have so far applied for the twin jobs." [9]
  • Comment: QPQ is under process. Alternate hook suggestions are welcome.

Created by Ivecos (talk) and PratyushSinha101 (talk). Nominated by PratyushSinha101 (talk) at 10:10, 21 June 2018 (UTC).

  • @Narutolovehinata5: I thought bifurcation of university is unusual for rest of the world, or is it a common practice? Pratyush (talk) 15:00, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
It's relatively common, if not at least routine. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:00, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
ALT2:... that Patliputra University consists of more than 125 colleges including two engineering colleges, and a dozen pharmacy colleges? Source:[10]
@Narutolovehinata5:. Pratyush (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - ?
  • Other problems: Red XN - While the number of colleges (125) sounds I'm impressive, I'm not sure if this is particularly uncommon, especially with Indian universities.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The technical requirements are met, but a second review (ideally from someone with an interest in academics) is needed to check the hook interest for ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:29, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the current hook is not very interesting. ALT2 sounds a bit too "promotional". Does the creation of Patlipura University indicate that there are more people attending university in India? Are the academic centers changing or growing? It looks like the staffing shortage is the government's fault... is there a reason for that? Since the university is so new, it isn't well-known for anything yet. What is a pharmacy college? I'm surprised that there's a need for more than one. Those are some things that might make an interesting hook, depending on the answer.Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 17[edit]

Trump administration family separation policy

Children separated from family members detained in cages
Children separated from family members detained in cages
  • Comment: Note that there are a few other editors who've improved the article who maybe should be given DYK credit

Created/expanded by Carwil (talk), Pharos (talk), and Gandydancer (talk). Nominated by Volunteer Marek (talk) at 20:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg All other issues aside (overlap with news and "proposal to split" tags are the most stringent) this article strikes me like it makes absolutely no effort to be NPOV or even to step out of the bubble. It's like none of the editors even bothered finding commentary from authors on the other side, like they did not even glance at a news or commentary source that will not endorse the "Trump is a monster" meme -- it appears largely modeled on the usual spiel from CNN and Vox. This even though conservative commentators have explained their POV at length and have openly expressed criticism of exactly the issues presented as facts in the articles -- for instance here, here or here (there are also conservative critiques of Trump's policy, btw: here or here or here). Under "Support", what we get are reactions from surrogates and cherrypicked, partly misquoted through partisan sources, statements made by the likes of Brian Kilmeade (who is apparently much more relevant than any other conservative who had stuff to say on the subject). Also note he WP:WEASEL in "[Kilmeade] tried to defend" -- you see, you can't defend Trump's policies, you can only "try to defend them, but we know better".
And incidentally: for this article to pass, it needs a fix in the footnotes, where various citations fail to identify the publisher. Dahn (talk) 05:22, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Also, the original hook is a highly contentious claim made during litigation. Are we really basing hooks on stuff said by lawyers defending their clients? (As for the ALT: I personally find it manipulative, since it implies that the policy of arresting adult illegal immigrants is necessarily wrong, and also because it won't tell us what 2,000 is compared to a standard -- the immigrant population, for instance. It's nothing but a poor attempt at sensationalism.) Dahn (talk) 05:28, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Lastly, the "cages" in the picture appear to be standard fixtures of any detention facility. Implying that those are "cages" is simply mendacious. Dahn (talk) 05:30, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @Dahn: It has been a few weeks since your review, and neither the nominator nor the co-creators have responded here. Have your concerns been addressed? If not, this will be failed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:10, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
    • Maybe other users would like to weigh in, but from my part the answer is no: the article is still biased, still overlaps with WP:NEWS (see masthead tag), and still has many unformatted refs; the hook and ALT are still objectionable. Dahn (talk) 18:09, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
@Carwil, Pharos, Gandydancer, and Volunteer Marek: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:37, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
This was a WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT non-constructive review. Fuck it.Volunteer Marek (talk) 01:55, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
(I mean, the major complaint appears to be that the article does not include a couple OPINION pieces from National Review and The Spectator that he happens to fancy. WTF?) Volunteer Marek (talk) 02:37, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Apparently this reviewer and the references that s/he offered know better than over 200 activists groups, every major religious and medical group, 17 states who have begun lawsuits, a Federal Judge, the ACLU, several international organizations, all four former first ladies, people who donated to a facebook page in an amount that topped anything previously, and such. BTW, this reviewer needs to refresh their knowledge regarding RS sites. Gandydancer (talk) 03:15, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
This reviewer has not asked for you to rewrite the article or to remove references, he has asked for you to include all relevant viewpoints, which is a cornerstone wikipedia policy, and to change the tone of the claims the article makes (per WP:WEASEL). He has also asked you to stop misrepresenting facts in hooks, and has suggested that using one side of a litigation issue as a source for DYK is an absurd precedent. And incidentally, yes: activist groups are always poor sources to use. It is also telling that the users think National Review should not be used as an RS (as opposed to Vox), and then they bring up IDONTLIKEIT -- they don't use sources they disagree with politically, but think my demand for toning down blatantly partisan claims, and citing more viewpoints in a dispute, should be treated as a matter of my personal bias. Dahn (talk) 04:27, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
The "tone" is from the sources - you just WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT what the sources say. The "relevant viewpoints" are represented in proportion to how they're represented in reliable sources - you just WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT what the sources say. And no, I didn't say that NR should not be used - it depends on the contexts and the nature of the piece. Yes, Vox (and it is indeed a higher quality source than NR) is used in the article, but not for opinion pieces and mostly just to cite non-controversial things, like quotes from Trump himself. On the other hand, you basically want us to include some rant somebody wrote for the NR. Sorry man, not how this works.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:17, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry to inform you so late in your career as a wikipedian, but wikipedia is not journalism, and therefore does not parrot partisan positions taken by the sources; wikipedia has its own rules on how content should be written and structured, which means that it either tones down to a neutral or attributes positions, quoted in full. Beyond that, the proportion of opinions and content you dislike is now 100/0, and you consider this encyclopedic; again, I do not ask you to remove sources, I ask you to add, in proportion to its relevancy (i. e. not zero), from the other side of the argument, and to stop manipulating readers by introducing weasel words in how you render opinions you favor. Incidentally, everything on Vox is an opinion piece, since the organization proudly announces that it "explains the news" -- you can see opinion clearly in essays currently used as sources by the article, such as this one. That in itself is not a problem, as long as at least some commentary from the opposing side, including as just one example the prestigious (much more prestigious than Vox) NR, is at least given some exposure. The POV here is entrenched and glaring. Dahn (talk) 06:45, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I re-read the article. There's certainly not a 100/0 POV split, and Dahn is clearly relying on the idea that unflattering factual statements are negative opinions, when they are in fact encyclopedic content. Yes, the section on "defense of the policy" is weak, but that's because even the policy's enactors and advocates seem split on the issue. With regard to opinions: Trump himself called family separation "horrible" and Sessions said, "We don’t want to separate families, but we don’t want families to come to the border illegally. This is just the way the world works."([13]). Yet, the article offers opinions from Trump, Sessions, Nielsen defending the policy. A challenging issue for NPOV is that numerous reliable sources report such statements accompanied by clear fact-checks that undermine the proponents' factual claims; we dutifully included those facts. A policy that even its supporters claim is horrible, and (falsely, fwiw) blame their political opponents for "forcing" them to enact it, is going to look unsupported.--Carwil (talk) 14:12, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
For the fifth time, I haven'r asked for anything to be removed from the article, I have asked for the presentation of facts to be rephrased with the removal of weasel words (such as the absurd "tried to defend", which suggests that you can't defend Trump, and as such takes a stand), and I have asked for more sources to be added where there are several interpretations of the supposed facts. I haven't even suggested that other interpretations take precedence over Vox and the like, just that they be mentioned, for Christ. I haven't even suggested that there's any info in the article that is unencyclopedic, I have noted that the tone and the unilateralism are not encyclopedic -- and in fact the entire article is written in glaring indifference to our core policies about tone and style. I stand by that and there is nothing in the above replies to even contradict me on that, just dancing around the point. Dahn (talk) 18:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As this nomination appears to have reached a stalemate, I'm requesting another uninvolved editor to take a look at this. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:28, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
    I came here having seen Narutolovehinata5's comment at WT:DYK. I am not seeing egregious violations of NPOV in terms of sourcing; the content of the article comes fairly close to most RS I have read, and my news sources are widely drawn. Anyone seeking to change position of the article needs to provide RS taking contrary positions: simply stating that contrary positions are being excluded is not good enough.
    That said, I would not pass this article in this state either. It is in need of a strict copy-edit. Examples of the problem include excessive use of the terms from the title ("policy" appears five times in the lead paragraph), messed-up timelines ("Judge Sabraw has set a status hearing for July 6"), use of jargon ("said ending "catch and release" was the second of his two priorities for immigration reform, after walling off Mexico", which is difficult to understand for anyone outside the US and many folks within it) and often fails WP:HONORIFIC (Obama, for instance, should be "US President Barack Obama" or "then-US President Barack Obama" at the first use, and "Obama" thereafter. The judges and other presidents likewise. This isn't the US news media, and their conventions don't apply: we're writing for a global audience). There are some language-related NPOV concerns: why is it necessary to say "Photos provided by Customs and Border Protection. Reporters were not allowed to take their own photos." in an image caption? Finally, and most seriously, it contains an inordinate amount of excess detail. It is at 77kb of readable prose; for perspective, that is the same size as our article on World War II, and is far in excess of the thumbrule at WP:TOOBIG.
    So, in short, I think further work needs to be done here. Also, some food for thought: if you're aim is to educate a reader about a policy you believe to be horrific, you're still going to be better off with a concise and neutrally written article. Heavy editorial voice and excess detail rarely convince anyone. Vanamonde (talk) 13:19, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the excellent review. I am one of the major editors and I pretty much agree with everything you say, but I'd like to defend the editors of this article to you and others. The reason that the article sprawls this way and that is that we didn't have all the facts at hand as we wrote the article. For example, we were weeks into the event when it was learned that there not only was no plan to return the children, in many cases both parents and children were told exactly that. Who would believe that? I certainly did not at first and a lot of copy went into an issue that eventually turned out to be factual. Another instance is the fact that the administration had begun their plan at least a year before they announced it, another surprise and one of many. As these things pop up it can be difficult to fit them into the existing article, at least for a very small group of editors who most likely are working on several other articles as well. I could go on and on but hopefully I've made my point. Although I'm sure you meant only to be helpful, your advice, "if you're aim is to educate a reader about a policy you believe to be horrific, you're still going to be better off with a concise and neutrally written article" is rather condescending. IMO the article in its present form pretty much represents other breaking news articles I've worked on and of course needs to be completely gone through - but this one has the added problem of sounding like tabloid-type sensationalism that needs to be guarded against without watering down the facts, which truly are horrific. Gandydancer (talk) 14:46, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Let me clarify that my comment isn't a personal judgement of the editors of the article. I've written content on contemporary politics: I understand the challenges involved. My comments are directed purely at the content as it stands, because we can acknowledge the difficulty of writing about certain topics, but the content ultimately has to stand for itself. As to my final comment: again, it isn't a judgement of the editors, but a comment about language: it's easy to let personal outrage slip into your writing, but tabloid-like style also has the effect of watering down the facts, and I'm afraid that's happening in a few places here. Vanamonde (talk) 15:43, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I did not note the "tabloid-like" criticism in your review, though perhaps that is what you meant by "Heavy editorial voice"? Since your review will be helpful for anyone that attempts to improve the article, where do you find "heavy editorial voice"? Again, thanks for your help. Gandydancer (talk) 15:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
  • I insist: my comments were about the unilateralism of sources, and I have provided examples of where National Review, for instance, clearly contradicts parts of the narrative -- I ask for these views to be cited not because I agree with them, but because they exist, and are clearly relevant. The only reason why these are not cited is because they're published in conservative venues. (I also urge the people who wrote this lopsided article to take a glance at who authored them: they are virtually all by people who took a strong anti-Trump stance in 2016. This to address another canard.)
As another reviewer has noted, even beyond that sort of lopsidedness, the article is poorly written, and abounds in POV phrasing, editorializing, weasel words etc.
All the hooks proposed are questionable, and ALT0 is clearly unusable; the legend for the picture is downright propaganda.
You can ignore this, sure, and keep using wikipedia as a soapbox. But even so, you can't ignore another issue that I have brought up: the citation formats are messed up, in many cases they fail to identify the publisher.
The article does not belong on mainpage, not in its current state, and, thanks to the entrenched POV of its editors, which seeps into everything, not for a very long time. Dahn (talk) 08:21, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg As Dahn and Vanamonde93 have raised concerns about not just the tone of the article, but sourcing and writing concerns in general, this nomination is now marked for needing work. The nomination has been sitting for more than a month now, and the concerns are deep, so what I'll do is that I will give the primary contributors (@Carwil, Pharos, Gandydancer, and Volunteer Marek:) a week to address the issues. If they have not been addressed in a week, or either Dahn or Vanamonde93 have not lifted their objections, this nomination will be marked as failed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:14, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Dahn and Vanamonde93: It has been one week since I left my last message, have your concerns been addressed? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:22, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Barely. While claims were toned down, and weasel words mostly removed, the article still overrepresents one side of the controversy. The very notion of having "Support" and "Oppose" sections is inducing a POV (I distinctly remember that such sections were frowned upon by wikipedia), and even at it only minor adjustments were made to the "Support" section, such as adding David French's comments. The "facts" of the article, meanwhile, remain described largely through the likes of Vox and CNN, even where, as I have shown, other sources point out quite contrasting interpretations and facts that the article ignores (such as in describing Obama's policies on this issue). This looks like an attempt to simulate impartiality, rather than an actual effort. I see nothing done about the editorial comments such as the one informing us that reporters were not allowed to photograph. The problems in the hooks here are exactly the same as they were weeks ago. Dahn (talk) 06:23, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: It remains a mixed bag. Gandydancer has done some good work on structuring, and the lead is now in better shape, but there haven't been many changes to the prose in the body since my previous comments, and the issues with detail remain. Now given how prominent a topic this has been, I would like to see this featured at DYK, but I don't have the time to work on this myself, and the other nominators need to show some interest in fixing the prose issues. I remain unconvinced that it has overall neutrality problems: as I said before, I read very widely, and this article represents virtually all of those sources. If there is a large section of equally reliable sources this article ignores, I have yet to see evidence of it. Vanamonde (talk) 07:33, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your opinions. Yes, I did try to make the lead sound a little better but not much else. The article needs to be totally restructured and I'm not sure that enough time has passed for that to happen except perhaps by a skilled editor or editors with plenty of hours to spend on it, IMO. As is often the case, most of the editors that added copy no longer seem interested. This is typical in my experience and this is not the first time that I'm the only one left. Face-smile.svg Frankly, this was the strangest article I've ever worked on and I am one of the leading editors of the BP spill article that just kept getting worse and worse for months, the African Eboli epidemic where the WHO initially tried to cover it up, and the horrific Indian rape and murder of the young woman (a GA of mine). Sorry to sound so defensive but it is reasonable that I would respond to the amount of criticism that the editors of this article have received. One tries to not take things personally but it is hard to avoid at times. I will continue to try to improve the article but not for a DYK since I feel that there is far to much work needed for that. Gandydancer (talk) 14:09, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
It's rather unfortunate that the others aren't taking much of an interest. Volunteer Marek you nominated this; surely you want to see it through? Gandydancer has the right idea; the cleanup he did on the lead just needs to be applied to the rest of the article. Easier said than done, I know. Vanamonde (talk) 18:04, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Have Danh's, um, "concerns", been addressed? I don't see a point in working on it if it's going to get shot down regardless.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:02, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
@Volunteer Marek: No single volunteer's comments are binding here; indeed, I came here to offer a third opinion. I have yet to see evidence of an overall bias among the sources (as Dahn suggests there is) but as Dahn and I both agree that the prose could be improved with respect to neutrality, I would think that is an entirely genuine concern. If you addressed it, I would be willing to pass this. Vanamonde (talk) 17:42, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 25[edit]

Embassy chapel

  • ... that chapels of the embassies of Bavaria, France, Sardinia and other Catholic nations in London provided religious services to persecuted English Catholics before Catholic emancipation? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that throughout history, Embassy chapels, protected by international law, have provided religious services in host countries to otherwise persecuted religions? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created/expanded by Eccekevin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The nominator has not edited in almost a month, and some of the article issues remain unaddressed. As these issues are minor, I won't mark this nomination for closure, but I'm calling on another editor to adopt this nomination and make the necessary changes. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:10, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:I've done some copy-editing. The opening words remain a bit funky, but otherwise I hope this is adequate. ~ Maltrópa loquace 01:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
I have corrected some typos in the lede and now it should be good Eccekevin (talk) 23:19, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I am apparently a horrendous copy-editor. Thanks for catching that error.~ Maltrópa loquace 23:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg It appears that the writing issues are resolved, so it's time for a full review. The article is new enough and long enough at the time of creation, and is adequately sourced. No close paraphrasing was detected. Offline sources are accepted in good faith. This is the nominator's first nomination so no QPQ is necessary. My concern is that neither hook is described directly in the article text. Furthermore, ALT1 (which would have been my preferred hook), is only mentioned in the lede and is unreferenced. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 26[edit]

Biblical criticism

  • ... that white male Protestants dominated the field of biblical criticism for over 200 years, but globalization and multiple new perspectives of the late 20th century permanently changed that? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Winchell's kingfisher
  • Comment: The reviewer, Farang Rak Tham, did an excellent job shaping the article, deserves credit.

Improved to Good Article status by Jenhawk777 (talk) and Farang Rak Tham (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC).

  • I usually try to make a reviewer's life easier by proposing ony one. This one is what we (author and nominator) agreed upon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Honestly, I'm not really sure about this hook: biblical criticism is a very interesting field of study that I'm personally interested in: surely there are other things that can be said about it too, right? The reason I'm asking about the hook is because, while it's fine, there's plenty more that can be said on the subject. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:40, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes, but DYK is not about saying plenty. - Just look at Druet: a great helper worded plenty (which was a good compromise after arguing since February), and while on the Main page, they reduced it to one a little quirky aspect (and I wasn't around, so noticed only afterwards, but you were around). DYK is to make curious, with something that is correct. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5! I was concerned about the whole "white guy" thing--but it is one of the many things about biblical criticism that most people don't realize--it started out among Protestants and stayed predominantly Protestant until recently. As far as I am concerned you can pick anything you'd like to say, but how about one of these for an alternate?
  • (alternate 1) ...biblical criticism has permanently altered understanding of the Bible?
  • (alternate 2) ...biblical criticism began as a historical discipline and has become a field of disciplines with often conflicting views? or
  • (alternate 3) ...biblical criticism began in Germany and has now spread throughout the world even into non-Christian religions?
Do you like any of these better? I am okay with whatever the rest of you agree on. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:10, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5, Gerda Arendt, and Farang Rak Tham: Sorry--I realized after the fact I should have pinged you all. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Jenhawk777: I actually feel that the original hook is on the right track, but the description doesn't really give the field justice. These days biblical criticism (and indeed Christianity studies as a whole) now has input from varying fields, such as the various Christian denominations, and even from scholars who are Jewish, Muslim, and even irreligious. Describing that simply as "globalization and multiple new perspectives of the late 20th century" seems too simple and not really that attention-grabbing. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
That was actually Gerda's first response--she wanted more as well. What she ended up with--what's here--was Gerda doing her best to summarize the summary in the lead and make it usable. What you refer to is in the article--in more than one place--and as a DYK hook would be representative of the article. The problem--as I explained to Gerda then and explain to you now--is that it is more information than there is any possibility of including in a DYK hook. This is the third paragraph from the lead which is a summary of information in the article remember.
  • By the late twentieth century, scholars of different ethnicities, women, and those from the Jewish and Catholic traditions became prominent voices writing biblical criticism from new perspectives. Literary criticism changed understanding of method, goals, and philosophy. Globalization and academic disciplines like Near Eastern studies were impacting biblical criticism as well. Anthropology and sociology became the foundation of socio-scientific criticism. Psychology began making contributions to biblical criticism in areas of interpretation, definitions, the field of memory, cognitive science, and more. Post-modernism developed its own form of biblical criticism. Feminism developed its own theology of liberation, and post-critical interpretation began to question the role and function of biblical criticism altogether. For over two hundred years, white Protestant males were the dominant voices under the large umbrella of historical biblical criticism. Their work permanently altered views of the Bible. By 1990, biblical criticism had irrevocably changed from a single historical discipline to a field of disciplines with often conflicting views.
That could easily become the longest hook of all time. :-) But if you can figure out a way to pick and choose in a way that satisfies what you would like to see included, we will all listen to any suggestions you might have for accomplishing your goal. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:42, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Being an outsider and not Christian, but having read the Gospels once, I thought it was interesting to read that they may be based on an older source text called "Q":

ALT4: ... that many scholars of Biblical criticism argue the gospels partly originate from an older text called "Q"?
Just my two cents.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 04:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC) Removed second instance of that.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
While an interesting hook to non-Christians, that hook is slightly inaccurate: only Matthew and Luke are argued to have used the hypothetical Q source. Mark (which most scholars believe came first) did not (and was argued to have been used as an additional source for both Matthew and Luke, hence the so-called "two-source hypothesis"), while John is believed to not have used Q at all due to having a vastly different Christology. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:46, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
I knew that, but I thought that the word partly covered that ...--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:19, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I am distressed that we are at a standstill. I actually like alternate suggestion number two, which is about the results of the kinds of changes you mention that there isn't space to list separately. If you don't like it, the only alternative I can see is to lengthen Gerda's original suggestion or exclude the first part of it:
  • (alternate 5)that white male Protestants dominated the field of biblical criticism for over 200 years, but by 1990, globalization, multiple new perspectives, and other academic fields of discipline changed that?
  • (alternate 6)that globalization, other academic disciplines, feminism, ethnicity, Catholicism and Judaism have developed multiple new perspectives in Biblical criticism?
I don't really like alternate 6, but I did like Gerda's original suggestion--even if I was mildly concerned about the whole "white guy" thing. If alternate 5 isn't too long, does it reflect your concerns?
An alternative (7) is a combination of these:
  • that white male Protestants dominated the field of biblical criticism for over 200 years, but by 1990, globalization, feminism, ethnic scholars, Catholicism, Judaism, and other academic fields of discipline changed that? Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt and Jenhawk777: I actually think that ALT6 (or at least a rephrasing of it) might be the best one moving forward, since I'm not really fond of the "but X changed that?" wording. It doesn't solely focus on white male Protestants but all perspectives as well, which would be appropriate for a field as varied as Biblical studies. ALT7 is obviously way too long. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:55, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
I agree with everything you said: #7 is too long. #6 will work, thank you so much for your flexibility in this! Take out the multiple maybe? "...globalization, other academic disciplines, feminism, ethnicity, Catholicism and Judaism have developed new perspectives in Biblical criticism?" What do you think? Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt and Jenhawk777: What about something like "... that globalization, feminism, ethnicity, historical studies, Catholicism, Judaism, and other academic disciplines have developed new perspectives in biblical criticism?" Are you two fine with such wording? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:27, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
I am if you are! It still seems awfully long to me, but if that's okay, then I'm okay with it. Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Noted. I'll just wait for a response from Gerda regarding this. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew
Don't wait for me ;) - Fine with me, - I tried not to interfere. Please strike all others, it's not easy to find for a prep builder. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ?
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - I proposed a new hook so this needs a second review

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Formally proposing this as a hook: ALT8: ... that globalization, feminism, ethnicity, historical studies, Catholicism, Judaism, and other academic disciplines have developed new perspectives in biblical criticism? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Looks good to me. But i'd put the religions first, and followed by the historical studies and other academic disciplines, which looks clearer to me.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 15:11, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Formally listing Farang Rak Tham's proposed alteration to the ALT1 hook as its own hook so it's clear to a new reviewer, since Narutolovehinata5 cannot review their own hook or this reordering of it:
  • ALT8a: ... that Catholicism, Judaism, globalization, feminism, ethnicity, historical studies, and other academic disciplines have developed new perspectives in biblical criticism?BlueMoonset (talk) 15:53, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: I like ALT8a—it's short, snappy, interesting, and in the article—but could you please add a citation for it? Catrìona (talk) 14:45, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Happy to oblige.
  • Fiorenza, Elisabeth Schüssler (2014). Feminist Biblical Studies in the Twentieth Century: Scholarship and Movement. Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature. ISBN 978-1-58983-583-2. Page 1 is where the "untapped world" reference is but this discussion goes to page 4 as well.
  • Soulen, Richard N.; Soulen, R. Kendall (2001). "Biblical criticism". Handbook of Biblical Criticism (Third ed.). Lexington, Kentucky: Westminster John Knox Press. ISBN 978-0-664-22314-4. Page 22 under conclusion, but discussion of these ideas begins on page 19

There are several more, if you need more, on each individual area. I didn't want to overwhelm--these two support what is said. I do have a suggestion though, since biblical criticism was a historical pursuit, having "historical studies" in the list of things that changed it seems slightly off. I would suggest:

  • Alt 8b: ...that Catholicism, Judaism, globalization, feminism, ethnicity, and other academic disciplines have developed new perspectives in biblical criticism? This is what's supported by the sources. Thank you so much! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
No, it's still "other academic disciplines" it's just that the addition is to the academic discipline of biblical criticism. Fields from outside biblical criticism such as psychology, anthropology, Near Eastern studies, etc. etc. were added to the field of biblical criticism changing it forever. Only I can't say forever in the article. You would fuss at me. Even if that's what the sources say. But other academic disciplines is still correct. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:32, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
We could say additional instead if it reads any differently for anyone else. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
My mistake. You are completely right.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:14, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
I am okay with alt 8b.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Now that we've settled on ALT8b, new reviewer needed to approved the hook. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
@Jenhawk777, Farang Rak Tham, Gerda Arendt, Narutolovehinata5, and BlueMoonset: I have taken a look at this.
Great work on an important article – well done!
As to Alt 8b, i’m really sorry to say this but I don’t think it’s good enough. Not only is developing “new perspectives” ordinary course in any field of study, but the examples chosen feel cherry picked rather than following any comprehensive or otherwise logical list. Most importantly, having read the sources proposed, the text feels synthy.
Having read the sources I have another proposal:
  • Alt 9: ...that biblical criticism has lost some of its "superiority" as scholars have become more aware of their own biases?
    Source: Richard N. Soulen; R. Kendall Soulen (September 2002). Handbook of Biblical Criticism. James Clarke & Co. p. 22. ISBN 978-0-227-17037-3. As the 21st cent. begins, modem biblical criticism has lost some of the luster of inevitability and superiority that it once had. Biblical scholars are now more aware that the Bible can be interpreted rationally from a variety of perspectives. The goal of applying neutral criteria of judgment to the Bible has largely given way to the goal of becoming critically aware of the premises (methodological, philosophical, cultural, and theological) that the interpreter brings to the study of the text. In the new situation, biblical scholars are as likely to draw inspiration from precritical interpretation or from contemporary philosophical and social movements, not to mention from the church and synagogue, as from the inaugurating concerns of modern biblical criticism. 
To my mind this should draw interest in the article from a wider audience. It is covered in the article in the penultimate sentence of the last paragraph of “The twentieth century”.
Onceinawhile (talk) 16:04, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 30[edit]

The True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle

  • Reviewed Ninjala I believe I have less than 5 main page DYKs so no QPQ was strictly necessary

Improved to Good Article status by Barkeep49 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Would "travelogue" fit better than "travel log"? Raymie (tc) 21:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Raymie, I made the change in the hook. Here's a review:
  • Symbol question.svg GA icon received same day as DYK nomination. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I question the use of publisher's websites as sources, as they are WP:PRIMARY; please remove Goodreads, Scholastic, HarperCollins Childrens, and any other promotional pages you're using as sources. Please tell me what kind of a source you're using for the second hook fact about the travelogue. QPQ done; thank you for that. Yoninah (talk) 01:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: thanks for the review and copyedit. The hook is sourced from Jones, Douglas A. "The True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle." I have removed the goodreads sentence as non-essential and replaced the Scholastic source with School Library Journal. The remaining change is going to be more time intensive to do and given that no part of the hook is cited to to it (with ALA and the above source the citations for the two pieces ofinformation), can I ask under what DYK criteria these changes are requested? Thanks again and Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Barkeep49: well, first, if this is a GA, it should meet all Wikipedia standards, or it should be returned for reassessment. Similarly, since DYK hooks appear on the main page, we want them to meet the Wikipedia criteria, even if they are start-class articles. Thank you for removing the publisher's websites. If the remaining sources have no information cited to them, why can't you just remove them? In a DYK, not everything has to be cited; there just has to be a minimum of one citation per paragraph. Yoninah (talk) 19:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Sorry I wasn't clear about your request. What is left from your request for change in sources are citation for several less prominent awards (mainly children's statewide readers awards) which are nicely collected at the publisher's page. I am not willing to just take the information out of the article especially because it doesn't relate to the DYK hook. As both the reviewer of the article and I have around 25 GA reviews to our names neither of us are unfamiliar with GA criteria which is why I asked about the DYK criteria justification which I'm admittedly not as familiar with. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:12, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Barkeep49: oh, now I see what you're citing. Usually when I write an article and find a list of awards in a primary cite, I just search for them on Google with the winner's name and then I can provide an independent source for them. Are you able to do that for at least some of them? Yoninah (talk) 20:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
  • One from the Chicago Tribune and The Courier-Journal (Louisville, KY)Nova Crystallis (Talk) 05:16, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Old ALA awards are particularly hard to cite with online sources. The Children's list has a good source [14] (which can also cite the Globe award which I believe is also noted in another existing source). The best I could find for Young Adult was [15]. I haven't made serious efforts to track down individual citations for the other awards (except as noted below). I would however ask you to reconsider the larger point, first as a requirement beyond DYK and second as not actually running afoul of WP:PRIMARY. I could explain why but won't since I think the real issue is with HarperCollin's not being a WP:INDY/WP:RS source. I can likely track them down but they'll be no more Independent than the publisher. For instance [16] cites the Judy Lopez award but is obviously not independent of the award nor has any more editorial control (and as someone who has been in charge of a statewide children's choice reading award perhaps less) than Harper Collins. Is the effort to change the sources going to really improve the quality of those sources or would it just be a shuffling? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:53, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
  • I have added a number of the citations mentioned in the previous discussion, and some others, to the page to try to move this along. That said, I actually agree with Barkeep49 that requiring them is perhaps overly restrictive. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
  • "Class and gender play a substantial role in the novel and help to frame it as a quest story". Do any of the sources discuss race? The book is mentioned in passing in "Sturdy Black Bridges": Discussing Race, Class, and Gender by KaaVonia Hinton but it would be good to cite a source that focuses specifically on race in Charlotte Doyle. (I'm about to leave on vacation, so I can't follow it up myself.) Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your work on sourcing. I can tell you there was not substantial mention of race in the current sources (there might have been passing reference) and so hadn't included it to date. If we can find a couple sources that analyze it through that frame it would obviously improve the article (I don't have access to the Hinton source). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:29, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 6[edit]

Dungeons 3

  • ... that many reviewers thought that Dungeons 3 relied on humor to the point of becoming annoying?
    • ALT1:... that the video game Dungeons 3 was described as the closest its developer came to creating a successor to the popular Dungeon Keeper series?
    • ALT2:... that in the video game Dungeons 3, your goal is to conquer a peaceful kingdom for an evil overlord?

Improved to Good Article status by SoWhy (talk). Self-nominated at 07:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC).

  • The article was promoted on the submitted date.
  • The article is over 1,500 characters.
  • The article meets core policies and guidelines.
  • The hooks are under the designated character limit.
  • QPQ checks out.
  • I favour ALT2, to which I added punctuation and context. Symbol voting keep.svg Cognissonance (talk) 23:00, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see the point of the game, as expressed in ALT2, in the article. I see a lot of description of what the player does, but not the player's goal. Could you point that out to me? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:21, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Well, that's basically what the whole plot section is about but I'm happy to include it explicitly: [17]. Hope that's okay. If not, how about:
    • ALT3: ... that you can build your own dungeon in Dungeons 3 to raise an army to fight the forces of good?
    • ALT4: ... that Dungeons 3 was the first title in the Dungeons series to be released for five different platforms at the same time?
Regards SoWhy 18:13, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg@SoWhy: actually, it wasn't clear to me, but your edit makes it very clear. I was going to promote ALT1, even though I could hear complaints coming for it being offbeat. But I really like your ALT4, so I'm approving that. ALT4 hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Cognissonance. ALT4 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg ALT4 has been challenged at WT:DYK as insufficiently interesting and apparently incorrect. Gatoclass (talk) 17:36, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
    • @Gatoclass: I responded at WT:DYK as well but maybe you can check whether one of the other hooks are okay instead? Regards SoWhy 18:27, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Without having verified them, ALTs 0 and 1 look viable to me, and it's not clear from the discussion why they were struck. ALT2 is definitely out as apart from the fact that it violates C6, you could say more or less the same about a million games. I personally might accept a modification of ALT3 but I think it too would probably get challenged per rule C6. Gatoclass (talk) 18:37, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
@Gatoclass: Well, ALT0 references the most common criticism, so there's [18] and [19] as English sources to back it up. The first one also says Dungeons 3 is the closest a game has come to the charm of Dungeon Keepers [sic] since Dungeon Keepers [sic] 2. and [20] says (translated) In our review we explain why the German studio Realmforge came as close to the grand rolemodel Dungeon Keeper as never before on their third try. Maybe Cognissonance can explain why they struck ALT0 and ALT1? Regards SoWhy 19:10, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
@SoWhy, Gatoclass, and Yoninah: I struck the hooks because I didn't find them as interesting as the one that reveals a pretty unconventional plot. If that hook cannot be promoted, I'm removing the strike from the second, altering it a bit, and striking the other one. Cognissonance (talk) 01:15, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 7[edit]

Abraham Hatfield

  • ... that Abraham Hatfield was a sugar merchant who built a castle and solved a mystery about stamps? [21])
    • ALT1:... that Abraham Hatfield borrowed stamps from a congressman to solve a philatelic mystery? Source: [22]

5x expanded by Rising*From*Ashes (talk). Self-nominated at 07:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article has been sufficiently expanded, is well referenced, copyvio is unlikely. No QPQ necessary, as the nominator has less than five DYKs so far. The hooks are interesting, but the sources and the article itself do not describe the case Hatfield solved as "mystery"; you either have to reword the article, provide another source, or reword the hooks. Applodion (talk) 19:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT2:... that Abraham Hatfield was the first philatelist to ascertain that the New York Postmaster's Provisional stamps were printed using a plate of forty positions?

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rising*From*Ashes (talkcontribs) 03:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg ALT2 may need to be reworded somewhat to make it more accessible to a broad audience: the term "philatelist" probably needs to be linked, for example. And honestly the hook feels too technical, and while may be of interest to philatelists, it may not easily be understood by the average person. I think a hook about his mansion would work out better, as long as the sourcing is there. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:21, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Feng Timo

  • ... that Feng Timo is a network hostess who has over 11 million fans on Douyu app and over 7 million fans on Sina Weibo?
  • ... that Feng Timo's song 《佛系少女》 has been so popular that it had been the Top 20 Hottest songs?

Created by Omega68537 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:05, 7 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Hostesses, plural.Moriori (talk) 00:45, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This nomination has several issues that need to be addressed if this is to be approved. First, the article is only 1032 characters long, which is far below the 1500 character requirement. Second, the article has several unsourced statements. Finally, both hooks are too vague or common to be hooky or interesting to a broad audience. I will give the nominator time to work on the issues, but if they are not resolved within a reasonable amount of time, this nomination will be failed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: the page creator has added content, but much of it is in pidgin English. I suggest they apply at WP:GOCE for help with English grammar and spelling. Yoninah (talk) 01:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
  • I've requested a copy-edit of the article over at WP:GOCE/R. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:34, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg I hope the editor that made this article will stay with Wikipedia and keep improving but I don't think this article can be promoted right now. It's still quite hard to read in English and I don't understand either of the proposed hooks (what's a "network hostess"? what does it mean to have "been the Top 20 Hottest songs"?). I would love to see the article improved and will help if I can, but this is not ready for DYK at this time, six weeks after originally being nominated. › Mortee talk 02:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 10[edit]

Ybor Stadium

  • Reviewed: IOU

Created by Blackguard SF (talk) and Muboshgu (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu (talk) at 17:46, 11 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg File was created within the last seven days, is over the required prose length and has no copyvio issues. Hook is supported by a reliable, inline source. Once the user adds a QPQ review, this will be good to go. Kosack (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article has a merge tag. Yoninah (talk) 01:21, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Kosack and Yoninah: I removed the merge tag. Merge discussion petered out on July 22 after opposition. I will provide QPQ today. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:08, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 15[edit]

Cheerleading in Australia

Created by Pelagic (talk). Self-nominated at 03:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article needs some more work before it can be promoted. Some of the sources are Facebook, and ideally a better source should be provided unless there are no other available sources. The sourcing in the "Rules" section is unclear, and it even appears to not use proper inline citations. Finally, I don't think either hook is interesting to a broad audience. If anything, a hook about the film Bring It On helping boost the sport's popularity in Australia might be better. The nominator has only one other DYK credit so a QPQ is unnecessary, but more work still needs to be done. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Although the nominator has been active on Wikipedia, they have been unable to respond to multiple requests for comment, and in fact have not edited the article at all since July 15, which is before the nomination date. As such, unless the nominator responds soon or another editor decides to adopt this, this nomination is now marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:01, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review, Narutolovehinata5. I've been stressing over contemplating how to progress this, or whether to even bother.
    1. The one Facebook reference was only to establish the time frame for founding ACSA, as the other sources I found are undated. I flagged it myself for [better source needed] in the hope that somebody might find one eventually. If that makes it unsuitable for DYK, I can take it out.
    2. I'll go over the Rules section and see if I can clarify. Is the problem with the parts where multiple sources are grouped into a single note? The fact that some cites are roughly formatted? Or is it with unsourced statements?
    3. Regarding the hook, that's a whole discussion by itself. Bring it On has been credited with sparking interest in "all-star" style cheerleading around the world, not just in Australia. I see that angle might seem catchy to the unititiated, but would come across as rather ho-hum to readers who have passing familiarity with the subject. I was angling more towards the widespread perception that cheer is "not a real sport". For the people who believe that, it might be surprising to lean that Australia's peak gymnastics body recognised it as such. For those who believe it is a real sport, it will be significant that Gymnastics Australia is pulling out. Thus the angle appeals to both audiences. Is there a way we can express that in a more engaging way without being too sensational?
Pelagic (talk) 06:40, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
@Pelagic: "I see that angle might seem catchy to the unititiated" Um, that's more or less what DYK is all about: hooks are intended to be interesting to a broad audience, not just those who are familiar with the subject. What may be interesting to fans might not be so for non-fans, and vice-versa. The key is trying to find a hook that can appease both sides, and the Bring It On part could be a step in that direction. As for the "Rules" section, it only has notes about the rules but does not cite any specific sources at all. This needs to be resolved before this nomination can continue. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


King Kamehameha V in 1850
King Kamehameha V in 1850
  • ...that Keanolani was the illegitimate daughter of King Kamehameha V (pictured), who died in 1872 without naming an heir to the throne?
    • ALT1:...that Keanolani was born from the illegitimate union of two Hawaiian royal students at the Royal School?

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 06:15, 16 July 2018 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The article clearly states she was the illegitimate daughter of those two (right in the lead, in fact), not that she possibly was. This should be clarified either in the article or here.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg The article needs a good copyedit as some of the language is not quite standard English. The issue with the hook (mentioned above) needs to be addressed, too. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:17, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Possibly is used because paternal identification is not 100% as specified in the article. Copyedit will have to wait unless you can point out the problematic sections you see. Most of it is long sentences but grammatically correct long sentences. KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:36, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
  • In the second sentence of the lead in the article, it states, "She was the illegitimate daughter of Abigail Maheha and King Kamehameha V...", yet the hook here states "possibly". EIther the lead needs changing or the hook needs changing. They can't both be correct.
  • As for the copyedits, perhaps someone from WP:GOCE would be willing to give it a once over. There are instances of missing words, incorrect pluralization, and so on. Since you wrote it, you may not notice them because your brain knows what it should say. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:56, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Nihonjoe: Copyedit done. Removed problem in hook as well.KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:15, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 16[edit]


  • ... that the Sol-20 was "the first complete small computer under $1,000"? Source: see text, from their otiginal ads

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 18:17, 16 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Some of the statements in the article (such as "The Sol-PC and Sol-10 were largely forgotten" and "building an order backlog that took a year to fill") are only mentioned in the lead, and do not have citations. The article also uses peacock words such as "unfortunately". And since the product is American, the article should ideally use MDY as opposed to DMY. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
These are fine comments, but not part of the DYK. The question for this page is whether or not the article meets the DYK requirements. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:24, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, but those are still article issues and they need to be addressed before the rest of the review can proceed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Reviewed Hugh Martell. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:15, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 17[edit]

Bluebonnet Ordnance Plant

  • ... that SpaceX's Rocket Development and Test Facility is the site of the former World War II bomb making facility the Bluebonnet Ordnance Plant? Source: AIAA Aerospace Sciences Meeting, Waco History cited in article

Created/expanded by BluegillTriplePrime (talk). nominated by JC7V-constructive zone 19:38, 1 August 2018 (UTC) at 19:19, 22 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg age and size ok, written neutrally, no copyvio detected with earwigs. Each paragraph should have at least one (preferably more) inline references. material looks faithful to source. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:54, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @JC7V7DC5768: it's been a few weeks – are you able to add sources to the paragraph that has none? It's also a little odd to see an article like this with no subsections, and it would be useful to know if there's anything that makes this bomb-making facility different from other such facilities during WWII. › Mortee talk 02:46, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Mortee: Hey Mortee, I will work on the article to bring up to DYK standards. Thank you for the feedback. JC7V-constructive zone 05:49, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

And I just fixed things. I've added subsections, sourced unsourced areas and better sourced key ones. If there is anything else to do with it, don't hestitate to tell me.JC7V-constructive zone 06:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Windscale Piles

The Windscale Piles (centre and right) in 1985
The Windscale Piles (centre and right) in 1985
  • ... that the chimneys of the Windscale Piles (pictured) were topped with "Cockcroft's Follies"? Source: "Because they were last-minute additions, the filters were placed atop the two 360ft (110m) tall chimneys rather than at the base. They were roundly criticised by the engineers building the nuclear facility. Engineers, who had been told by the government to make the UK a nuclear power by 1952, nicknamed the filters Cockcroft's Follies, mocking them as an expensive piece of pointless delay." (and [23])

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:29, 19 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new, although I see it was moved to mainspace on the day before on 16 July 2018. The sections "Background" and "Product" are derived from text at Windscale fire, but even not counting those sections the article is long enough. Article is within policy and QPQ has been completed. However, the hooks doesn't seem very interesting as much as it is confusing to the average reader. Perhaps it could try to explain the purpose of the "Cockcroft's Folly". Also, why is "Cockcroft's Folly" singular instead of plural like in the source? FallingGravity 22:29, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
    Because that was what was chosen for our redirect. It appears both ways in sources. I've switched to the plural, following Arnold. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 18[edit]

Diadumene cincta

  • ... that the sea anemone Diadumene cincta reproduces by pedal laceration, with pieces of tissue becoming detached from the base and developing into new individuals? Source: "Basal laceration is habitual and frequent."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 18:54, 24 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Everything is good; length, conformance to policy, recent expansion, and a completed QPQ review. But, the source to the hook isn't the best. I'd suggest using this article (I do not, unfortunately, have the full text) to cite the "pedal laceration" part and this article to cite its actual description, and it's relevance to the species (the connection is obvious, as they are both described the same way). Also, I'd add "with" before "pieces". RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 04:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
@RileyBugz: I would have thought that the Marine Species Identification Portal was a reliable secondary source. I have changed the referencing of the section by adding Ruppert for the explanation of the behaviour. Are you happy with it now? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
It's reliable, but it doesn't really give a good definition of basal laceration, nor does it actually link it to pedal laceration in any way. Thus, I'd say that you need something else to link the behaviour in this species with pedal laceration; the reference I provided above should do that just fine. RileyBugz私に叫ぼう私の編集 15:57, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 19[edit]

Roberto Benedicto

  • …that Roberto Benedicto was so close to his fraternity brother, Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos, that he had full access to the presidential quarters in Malacañang Palace? Source:“Although he was not a relative, Benedicto became part of the small Marcos circle in Malacanang and was one of the few with complete access to the president’s private quarters.” – Garcia, 2016
    • ALT1:... … that Roberto Benedicto's Daily Express was the first newspaper allowed to publish after Ferdinand Marcos declared Martial Law in the Philippines, because of his closeness with Marcos? Source: "“EVERYBODY THOUGHT Sept. 25, 1972 would be another paperless day. Just three days before, martial law had been declared and soldiers had gone around Metro Manila, padlocking the offices of major newspapers and wire agencies, and posting copies of Proclamation 1081 on their doors. Prominent newspapermen were detained on charges of subversion and other such crimes. It seemed that no newspaper would be seeing print for a long time. But by noon, the Philippine Daily Express was out. Alice Colet Villadolid, a journalism professor and former New York Times correspondent, says it was understandable why the Express was allowed to publish at that time. The paper was, after all, owned by Roberto Benedicto, a Marcos ally.- Melanie Pinlac, Center for Media Freedom and Responsibility, http://cmfr-phil.org/media-ethics-responsibility/ethics/marcos-and-the-press/”
  • Reviewed: This is only my second DYK Nomination, so I understand I don't have to make a QPQ review yet. But I've already reviewed Chang and Eng Bunker for my previous nomination, and I shall try to review something else tomorrow, and indicate such in the comments.
  • Comment: 5x expansion began on 19 July 2018

5x expanded by Alternativity (talk) and Missvangie (talk). Nominated by Alternativity (talk) at 15:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg 18× expansion from stub during the seven days prior to nomination. New enough, long enough. Neutrality: I was a little concerned that remembered as a crony of President Ferdinand Marcos might be a bit negative for the first sentence of the article's lead, though "crony" is sourced and this does seem to be an accepted term in context. I linked it to Cronies of Ferdinand Marcos. You might consider rewording it to something like "remembered for his close association to". Sourcing: the Early life section needs a citation. For close paraphrasing, you might also give a little attention to this Earwig score which is showing a bit aside from the proper names. I'm not 100% sure about the intended meaning to rephrase it (e.g.: does "represented 27% of the country's dollar earnings" mean GDP, or exports since dollars is likely US$ ?) The hooks are under 200 characters, neutral, and interesting. AGF for QPQ. Verified online source for ALT1. However, there does not seem to be a source for the ALT0 that Benedicto was Marcos's fraternity brother (this is from the unsourced section). I have no preference between the two hooks; ALT1 would be good to go if the unsourced section was removed from the article. ALT0 will require that section have a citation. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Julian F. Everett

Created by FloridaArmy (talk). Self-nominated at 18:57, 20 July 2018 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg At present, the article is way too short, because lists don't count, but seems easy to word some from the lists in prose. I also suggest an infobox, or it looks like an article about a building. The hooks seem longish, but first get the article to apprpriate length. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
FloridaArmy, do you plan to expand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Just seeing this now. I'll have a look and see if I can expand in the next few days. Would it still qualify or it's too late now? FloridaArmy (talk) 23:32, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, go ahead. You could just say some in prose that is in the table. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 21[edit]

Ina Hartwig

Ina Hartwig in 2017
Ina Hartwig in 2017
  • Reviewed: Julian F. Everett
  • Comment: I don't know many politians who keep writing when in office.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:25, 23 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment: I don't think this hook is sufficiently engaging. Plenty of politicians publish books, and being a city councillor is typically a part-time job. Catrìona (talk) 15:50, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
In Frankfurt, it's a lot of work, see Hilmar Hoffmann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
But very few people will know that Frankfurt is unusual in that regard; a great many people will think that it's no big deal for a local politician to be an author. I agree with Catrìona: the hook isn't interesting enough as written. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
We could reduce it to writing the biography, but why not add a bit of where and when? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Reducing it to writing the biography would be even less interesting. Why not come up with a different, more interesting hook? BlueMoonset (talk) 04:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Ina Hartwig (pictured), who was responsible for literary criticism for the Frankfurter Rundschau, published a biography of Ingeborg Bachmann in 2017? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed, including the new hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Mario Alberto Peña

  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William Chong Wong
  • Comment: BBC has an image of his tribute page, which reads "Many hit-men end up with tribute pages" and then shows a screenshot of his page. If you google "from Facebook of a tribute page to the gangster Mario 'Popo' Peña", it will direct you to the BBC source. This text can be read from Google but once clicked it is not available. My guess is that it is embedded in the photo. Either way, the photo and the description cite the hook.

Created by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 02:18, 22 July 2018 (UTC).

Jorge Luis Mendoza Cárdenas

  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cuitláhuac García Jiménez
  • Comment: Alternate hooks are welcomed. I had a hard time coming up with one for this article because there isn't a lot of information about him (aside from two incidents: the murder case and the DEA reports). I think the hook is compliant with NPOV policy since it is a fact that the DEA is looking for him. There is no accussation about his alleged activities in the hook.

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 16:32, 21 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 22[edit]

Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971

  • ... that oppositionist delegates of the Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971 were among the first to be arrested when Ferdinand Marcos declared Martial Law in the Philippines? "The meticulous planning and flawless execution of martial rule emphasized the brilliance and thoroughness of Marcos. Congress was padlocked and its most eloquent members detained. The constitutional convention was purged of its anti-Marcos members...." - Magno (ed.) Kasaysayan. p. 157

"The delegates to the Constitutional Convention who were deemed anti-marcos like Napoleon Rama, Voltaire Garcia, Teofisto Guingona, Jose Nolado, Bren Guiao, and Jose Concepcion were also detained." Duka (2008) Struggle for Freedom p. 307

  • ALT1: ... that the Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971 was rocked in May 1972 when a delegate exposed a bribery scheme in First Lady Imelda Marcos was implicated, alongside 13 others? "In May 1972, before all the assembled members of the Convention, Quintero unexpectedly made a public disclosure that the media called a 'bombshell'. He had been receiving, he said, money in envelops, amounting to over P11,000 which almost certainly came from Marcos' wife. He set all the envelops aside, waiting for the right time for him to speak out. 'I want to do the correct thing,' he said." - http://www.bantayog.org/quintero-eduardo-t/

"On that day, delegate Eduardo Quintero of Leyte ... revealed that he and a number of fellow delegates had been receiving money from Marcos.... By his account, Quintero received envelopes containing money that were supposed to have come from the First Lady." - Magno (ed.) Kasaysayan. p. 133

  • ALT2: ... that oppositionist delegates in the Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971 tried several times to add provisions disallowing Ferdinand or Imelda Marcos from staying in power after 1973? "Even as the law calling fro elections for the convention was being deliberated in Congress, anti-Marcos politicians tried to incorporate a 'Ban the Marcoses' provision.... Thereafter, anti-Marcos delegates to the convention tried to build the 'Ban Marcos' provision into the charter they were drafting." (The next two paragraphs detail the Rama resolution and the Manglapus committee resolution.) - Magno (ed.) Kasaysayan. p. 132
  • Reviewed: Chang and Eng Bunker, Nominated on July 18
  • Comment: DYK Check shows 11707 characters; Created 4 days ago; Made this myself, but also made sure Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows copyvio problems are "unlikely". I even tried to paginate the references I used for the specific facts. This is my first DYK nom, so I shouldn't need to QPQ review, but I reviewed Chang and Eng Bunker anyway. :D

Created by Alternativity (talk). Self-nominated at 07:19, 26 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 23[edit]

Doug Gurr

Doug Gurr
Doug Gurr
  • ... that Doug Gurr (pictured), head of Amazon UK, has said that a no-deal Brexit could lead to civil unrest "within two weeks"? Source: "Douglas Gurr, Amazon's UK country manager, told a meeting of business leaders that if Britain crashes out of the European Union without a trade deal, it will spark 'civil unrest' within two weeks." (and [24] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 22:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment. It'll need protection from vandalism. It looks good to me but given Brexit issues I can see it getting tagged POV. Szzuk (talk) 12:30, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg This will need the usual quid pro quo: a review of another DYK. Otherwise everything is in order, a suitable free image, a decently hooky hook, properly sourced, the article date and size appropriate, etc. I don't think it too POV for DYK. Binksternet (talk) 04:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 24[edit]

Anastasia Soare

  • ... that Anastasia Soare arrived in Los Angeles from Romania in 1989, and is now a self-made billionaire "Eyebrow Queen"? Source: "Meet the Woman Behind Anastasia Beverly Hills, a Self-Made Billionaire 'Eyebrow Queen' Who Fled Communism in the '80s to Start a Beauty Empire" (and [25] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:55, 31 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Reviewing. I like the hook. Will complete in 1-2/7. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:13, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
  • General eligiblity:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY

QPQ: ????
Overall: Symbol question.svg Awaiting qpq, copyvio ok (quote in article comes up). "is the eyebrow queen" maybe should be "is known as the eyebrow queen". Both proposed hook and ALT1 good. Whispyhistory (talk) 03:23, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 25[edit]

Sybille Specht

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:13, 27 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Reviewing. Copyvio ok, long enough, new enough. Hook is in article followed by non-English citation. Will complete soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 04:33, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg nearly all ok. Thank you. I trust you will insert a citation after one paragraph as indicated. Hook is in article and followed by inline citation. Not sure if hook the interesting but I can't think of another one and otherwise fits dyk. All references are non-English. QPQ needed. Whispyhistory (talk) 07:45, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Sorry to disappoint you. The source given for the German article I translated, Gärtnerplatztheater, is now given to a male singer. She left in 2010, married, changed her career path. I trust that the things mentioned about what she did until then are true, but didn't find a source other than her personal website, so far. What can we do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you @Gerda Arendt:. It would be advisable to find a reputable source to back up any content in article or not include it. Whispyhistory (talk) 06:20, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
You are right, and I knew that. We have some problems here: She changed her name. The name Specht is rather common. She changed her career path. - If we can't source education, there will be no education. For singers, there's a great souce, a book by Kutsch, 2004, before most of her career. For operas, there's a great site, Operabase, listing all roles - from 2013, after her career. You see that we can find sources for individual roles, that's what the hook is built on. I don't think I will have the time to look for sources for every single one. So again the question: what do we do? - I looked up the user who created her article in German: de:Benutzer:Manfi.B. - looks reliable to me. I guess I'll ask him/her, rather than giving up already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Mormon studies

  • ... that according to historian Jan Shipps, the objective tone of the New Mormon historians "made them seem more secular than they actually were"? Source: "most of the historians responsible for the extraordinary outpouring of articles and books in the next thirty-five or forty years were satisfied to write about the LDS past in naturalistic terms that abandoned the notion that Mormonism somehow stood outside (or above) the ongoing stream of human history. Practically none of them rejected the divinity of the origin and work of the LDS Church (or of the RLDS Church, as the case might be), but their accounts had a cool quality that made them seem more secular than they actually were." Jann Shipp's review of Rough Stone Rolling, official journal link here and an open-source PDF here (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that many readers of Mormon blogs see them as a way to democratize Mormon studies? Source: "When asked specifically what effect the blogs had on Mormon studies, most responses ranged from warm to rapturous. In addition to the aforementioned creation of spiritual and intellectual community, a number of respondents were enthusiastic about the bloggernacle’s democratizing effect on Mormon studies." Dialogue article by Patrick Mason
    • ALT2:... that in order to write his dissertation on Mormon studies, non-Mormon sociologist Thomas F. O'Dea lived in a rural Mormon town in New Mexico for six months? Source:"Since scholars had already been assigned to work on the first four groups, O'Dea, who knew virtually nothing about Mormonism prior to that time, was assigned the Mormon community. He devoured the literature, wrote an insightful preliminary analysis, conducted interviews with scholars and church authorities, and reached a sympathetic understanding by residing for six months in a "frontier" New Mexico Mormon agricultural settlement. He concluded with a summer teaching assignment at a predominantly Mormon state university (Utah State University)." From Arrington's overview of Mormon studies in the 20th century.
  • Reviewed: Pharmacist-to-pharmacy technician ratio
  • Comment: This page existed before, but was mostly a list of scholars, which I moved to a separate list. I added the large history section. I found a URL for my frequently-cited ""Idols of the Tribes: An Intellectual and Critical History of 19th and 20th Century Mormon Studies" source, which I linked on the page, but it is a revised version so the pagination is probably slightly different.

5x expanded by Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 19:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Nice job on the expansion! 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I have a question about capitalization: I understand why you're capitalizing "Church", but why "Church History" (when it's not in the name of the museum)? Images are freely-licensed. QPQ done.
  • Regarding the hooks, none of them are really attention-grabbing. ALT0 is worded well, but the capitalization of "New Mormon" makes it look like something other than "Mormon" to me; I don't think this term should be used in a hook unless the hook is actually explaining it. "Many readers" in ALT1 seems like a too-broad statement. And we're not going to put a name of someone who doesn't have a Wikipedia page on the main page. Can you come up with something more hooky? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Thanks for reviewing this long article. I tried to correct my inconsistent capitalization. Which parts of the page intrigued you the most? I think your opinion on what is interesting about the page is closer to the average front page reader's opinion than mine at the moment. I think parts of the LDS Church's backlash against Mormon Studies are interesting but I'm not sure if that would be focusing unduly on negative things. I reworded the first hook below. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:51, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
    • ALT3 ... that according to historian Jan Shipps, historians writing in Mormon studies in the 1960s and 70s used an objective tone that "made them seem more secular than they actually were"?

Altered (drag racing)

  • ... that NHRA Altereds were notorious for running sideways? Source: McClurg, Bob. Diggers, Funnies, Gassers and Altereds: Drag Racing's Golden Age (North Branch, MN: CarTech Inc, 2013), p.50.
    • ALT1:... that NHRA Altereds were sometimes called "poor man's dragsters"? Source: McClurg, Bob. Diggers, Funnies, Gassers and Altereds: Drag Racing's Golden Age (North Branch, MN: CarTech Inc, 2013), p.44.

Created by Trekphiler (talk). Self-nominated at 08:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC).

 @Narutolovehinata5: Typos don't surprise me; I can't proofread worth spit. Unsourced? Such as? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 19:04, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

@Trekphiler: Some of the cars in the "Named cars" section lack reference. As for typos, there are plenty of unpaired or mispaired "[[" characters. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:43, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 26[edit]

Austro-Italian ironclad arms race

The Battle of Lissa on 20 July, 1866 by Alexander Kircher.
The Battle of Lissa on 20 July, 1866 by Alexander Kircher.
  • ... that the Austro-Italian ironclad arms race led to the Battle of Lissa, the first naval engagement between multiple armored warships in history? Source: (Sondhaus 1989 p. 258 "The Battle of Lissa attracted a great deal of attention from Tegetthoff's contemporaries. As the first action ever fought between fleets of ironclad warships, it has been given its due by naval historians ever since.")
    • ALT1:... that the head of the Austrian Navy during the Austro-Italian ironclad arms race was the future Emperor of Mexico? Source: (Sondhaus 1989 p. 181 "He [Ferdiand Max] was the most gifted leader the navy had ever had, or ever would have. p. 209 "Ferdinand Max...personally ordered two armored screw frigates to be built in Trieste. THe pair of ironclads were a driect response to the two armored corvettes Cavour had ordered in Toulon.")
  • Reviewed: SS Yarmouth
  • Comment: This was a long article in the making! I've been working on it over at my sandbox page since the end of May. I've finally got it where I want it to be though and just moved it over to the main space. Please note that I can provide other hooks or citations for them as necessary. The ironclad arms race between Italy and Austria-Hungary a very long and complex topic that took place over some 20 years. NOTE: Second hook could be a good April 1 DKY.--White Shadows Let’s Talk 03:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace by White Shadows (talk). Self-nominated at 03:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is long enough (by several nautical miles), both hooks are interesting and cited (AGF on offline sources). The article is within policy (no copyright issues, cited inline, neutral) and new (was moved from userspace sandbox recently). QPQ is done. My only concern is about the image. Based on the artist's death date, it's certainly in the public domain in Germany. I'm less certain about public domain in the U.S. because there is no creation and/or publication date for the work (and so there are associated URAA issues). It would also be helpful if you could clarify if the image was only intended for the first hook by including a "(pictured)" note or if it is intended for both. In either case, by looking at associated articles, I think there are probably some other nice paintings of the battle. IronGargoyle (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

José González Valencia

Spanish: "González vivía en Bolivia con el nombre falso de Jafett Arias Becerra al parecer desde principios de año. Solicitó residencia en Bolivia y la obtuvo por dos años, explicó el ministro de Gobierno Carlos Romero." / English: "González lived in Bolivia under the false name of Jafett Arias Becerra apparently since the beginning of the year. He applied for residency in Bolivia and obtained it for two years, explained the Minister of Government Carlos Romero." (El Financiero) Spanish: "José González Valencia ingresó a Brasil como turista utilizando un pasaporte boliviano ... El acusado portaba un documento expedido por Bolivia y en el que se identificaba como ciudadano mexicano pero con el falso nombre de Jefett Arias Becerra." / English: "José González Valencia entered Brazil as a tourist using a Bolivian passport ... The defendant carried a document issued by Bolivia and in which he identified himself as a Mexican citizen but with the false name of Jefett Arias Becerra." (Infobae)

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 02:52, 27 July 2018 (UTC).

Ronald Smelser

Improved to Good Article status by K.e.coffman (talk). Self-nominated at 01:48, 2 August 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: None required.

Overall: As far as I can tell, Coffman does not need a QPQ. Catrìona (talk) 03:39, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

  • I shortened the section as the details were not essential. Now returns "violation unlikely": [26]. I proposed an additional hook. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:20, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Close paraphrasing issues have been resolved. While your ALT is more accessible, it's also 300 characters long. DYK submissions have a hard limit at 200 characters. Catrìona (talk) 07:21, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I think that would be good, but I'm going to request a second opinion from someone who isn't as familiar with the subject as I am to gauge suitability for a general audience. Catrìona (talk) 23:57, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 27[edit]

Staatstheater am Gärtnerplatz

Gärtnerplatztheater in 2005
Gärtnerplatztheater in 2005

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:06, 3 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg written neutrally, properly expanded, has referencing, QPQ done...ummm...I can't see anything about recent refurbishment in the article...and it'd be better to have dates of restoration than just "recently". How about a hook about some of the performances that have been there? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:17, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Petros Lantzas

  • ... that Greek spy, Petros Lantzas, devised in 1608 an assassination plan against the Ottoman Sultan by presenting in front of him a fake present? Source: Safa, Gürkan, Emrah (2012). "Espionage in the 16th Century Mediterranean Secret Diplomy, Mediterranean go-betweens and the Ottoman Habsburg Rivalry". Georgetown University: 12. Similarly, the Corphiote Pietro Lanza served the Viceroys of Naples for many years as a corsair and spy. After many years in service, he even offered, at a very old age, an interesting plan, worthy of the caliber of this seasoned corsair. He would go to Constantinople and engage in a number of clandestine operations including the assasination of the Ottoman Sultan with a fake present in whose lower part there would be explosives. 

Created by Alexikoua (talk). Self-nominated at 09:54, 1 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Article wise: It's new, long enough. The hook is okay in terms of length and content, though including the word "explosives" somewhere would have made the hook more interesting. QPQ is good.
Symbol question.svg Just one issue: The phrase "...Ottoman Sultan with a fake present in whose lower part there would be explosives" in the article is ad verbatim from the source, which makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps this sentence could use a rewrite? - Mailer Diablo 13:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Also, is it Petros Lanztas or Petros Lantzas? - Mailer Diablo 13:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree that it will be much more interesting for the reader to have the explosion in the hook, what about this small addition:
  • ALT1: ... that Greek spy, Petros Lantzas, devised in 1608 an assassination plan against the Ottoman Sultan by presenting in front of him a fake present which would contain explosives?

Articles created/expanded on July 28[edit]

Carol Rasco

  • ... that during Governor Bill Clinton's presidential campaign, political aide Carol Rasco was credited for running Arkansas in his absence? Source: ""she ran much of the state's daily business for the year that Mr. Clinton was out campaigning for the Presidency" as well." (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: 4th nom, N/A, I'll review one if I have time tonight though

5x expanded by Originalmess (talk). Self-nominated at 23:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - I feel like "credited for running Arkansas" is not the best description: she wasn't formally credited with anything; it's just a small part of a NYT article. I've proposed an alt below.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - I would add an inline citation for the "credited with running Arkansas during his absence" clause in the lead of the article.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Nice work overall! Just a couple of small details to fix.

Extra thoughts: Under Political career, there is this bit: "but 'she ran much of the state's daily business for the year that Mr. Clinton was out campaigning for the Presidency' as well." The quote looks weird for a few reasons, mainly because it's not attributed in prose (e.g. "The New York Times reports that"). I would just rewrite this in your own words. (This isn't relevant to the DYK process though.)

  • ALT1: ... that during Governor Bill Clinton's presidential campaign, political aide Carol Rasco took over business in Arkansas in his absence?

I've been trying loads of variations of phrasing in the last clause and I can't tell what sounds most natural anymore. Let me know what you think. Bilorv(c)(talk) 19:01, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

International Journal of Occupational and Environmental Health

Retraction Watch "The editorial board of the International Journal of Occupational and Environmental Health resigned today in protest over ongoing battles involving the new editor and its handling of recent withdrawals."

Created/expanded by IntoThinAir (talk). Self-nominated at 20:42, 30 July 2018 (UTC).

  • Note: I know I need to do a QPQ review, and I haven't done one yet but I will soon at which point I will update this page to reflect that. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 20:45, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Update: I have done a QPQ by reviewing Gordon W. McKay. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 20:54, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg While the hook is certainly interesting and the sources good, the article has two parts in its body: list of stuff it's indexed on and the factoid that's the hook. With a prose length of just over 1,500, I would say this needs some more expansion before it can go for DYK. @IntoThinAir: Juxlos (talk) 16:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 29[edit]

Lobet den Herren alle, die ihn ehren

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:47, 5 August 2018 (UTC).

Mitsu Dan

  • ... that Japanese actress and model Mitsu Dan writes literary fiction? Source: "タレントの壇蜜(35)が、小説誌『オール読物』6月号(21日発売)の短編『光ラズノナヨ竹』で小説家デビューすることが13日、わかった。" "Entertainer Mitsu Dan (age 35), found out that she will debut as a novelist with her light novel 光ラズノナヨ竹 being published in the June 21st issue of literary magazine All Reading."[27]
  • Reviewed: first DYK

5x expanded by Bakazaka (talk). Self-nominated at 20:40, 31 July 2018 (UTC).

Normal Love

  • ... that a lost film by Andy Warhol shows the production of Jack Smith's Normal Love? Source: "The so-called evidence seized at the 3 March screenings, which included the camera original of Andy Warhol Films Jack Smith Filming 'Normal Love,' was never returned…No prints of Warhol’s film have ever been found; the original is possibly still stored in the evidence rooms of the New York City Police Department." Callie Angell, "Batman and Dracula: The Collaborations of Jack Smith and Andy Warhol"

5x expanded by Hinnk (talk). Self-nominated at 18:23, 31 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 31[edit]

Goodbye Halo

  • Reviewed: Exempt from reviewing since this is only my second nomination.

Moved to mainspace by Aspening (talk). Self-nominated at 19:57, 31 July 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 1[edit]

Rudolf Sellner

  • Reviewed: to come Grey cuckooshrike
  • Comment: sensational, + a few weeks after The Wall was buikt, to make it even trickier logistics, beginning on 24 September, which would be the best day for this

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:19, 8 August 2018 (UTC).

Correctional nursing

  • ... that nurses are the primary healthcare providers in correctional settings? Source: [30]

Created by Ifnord (talk). Self-nominated at 00:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - n Each of the four paragraphs talking about the roles are unsourced.
  • Neutral: Red XN - n Article primarily focuses on the roles in the same format as in the Forensic nursing link below.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Red XN - n There is plagiarism of this citation with Earwig saying 31.5% possible violation. Some of the sentences are duplicates e.g. "nurses screen inmates entering the facility...and necessity for chronic medications". Hook also closely paraphrases the BioMed reference in the first sentence of the journal article.

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - n not catchy in my opinion as the article name itself suggests the hook

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.


Symbol possible vote.svgThis is my first DYK review. Please fell free to check it over. Primarily, the sourcing and plagiarism/neutrality are currently the main issues at the moment. The article mainly focuses on the roles of correctional nurses in the same format as the Forensic Nurses website. I think more information that talks about correctional nurses outside of their roles could be useful. On the other hand, there are sourcing and plagiarism issues with the included sources as seen above. I think if these three items are solved first, then the hook and picture could be tweaked afterwards based on the improved content. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:39, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Adding that a certain amount of piping is fine, but this - plain nurse - is too much. Also: the hook subject needs to be bold. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Margot Fonteyn

Dame Margot Fonteyn
Dame Margot Fonteyn
  • ... that English prima ballerina assoluta of the Royal Ballet Margot Fonteyn danced for 44 years and then became a cattle rancher in Panama? Source: solo debut 1935; retirement 1979=44 yr: "In 1935, Dame Margot received her first solo role"[31] "To mark her sixtieth birthday in May 1979 the Royal Ballet gave a gala in her honour...and at the end of the performance the Royal Ballet gave her, uniquely, the official title of prima ballerina assoluta. This had been widely assumed to be her farewell"[32] "Dame Margot continued to be a globe-trotting ballerina until the late 1970's, after which she made occasional guest appearances"[33] "In later years Fonteyn settled in a small house with no telephone in a remote village in Panama, where Arias had a farm...found a real interest in cattle farming"[34] also p 514
    • ALT1:... that English prima ballerina Margot Fonteyn was performing in the Netherlands when the Nazis invaded in May 1940, forcing her to flee the country with nothing more than the costume she was wearing? Source: "The company, renamed Sadler's Wells Ballet, was in the Netherlands when the Germans invaded, and escaped with nothing more than what the dancers stood up in."[35] (Note, she was not made "assoluta" until 1979)
    • ALT2:... that the Royal Ballet's prima ballerina assoluta Margot Fonteyn, considering retirement at the time, débuted with Rudolf Nureyev on 21 February 1962 and died on the 29th anniversary of the première? Source: "Then in 1962, when she was 42 and was reportedly giving thought to retirement, she starred with Rudolf Nureyev, a 23-year-old defector from the Kirov Ballet of Leningrad, in the Royal Ballet's production of "Giselle"[36], "Rudolf Nureyev, the runaway Russian ballet star was wildy [sic] cheered Wednesday night in his first appearance with Britain's Royal Ballet Company…danced with Margot Fonteyn in Giselle."[37], "Dame Margot Fonteyn, whose blend of refinement and passion redefined 20th-century ballet style and made her an international idol as the prima ballerina of the Royal Ballet in Britain, died yesterday in Paitilla Hospital in Panama City"[38]
I think we should go for ALT2.--Ipigott (talk) 08:05, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Improved to Good Article status by SusunW (talk), Alanna the Brave (talk), and Ipigott (talk). Nominated by SusunW (talk) at 18:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC).

I'd prefer to picture her dancing, and find this image most surprising and delightful.
Margot Fonteyn and Robert Helpmann in 1936
Margot Fonteyn and Robert Helpmann in 1936
ALT3: ... that the first regular dancing partner of Margot Fonteyn was Robert Helpmann in the 1930s (pictured) and 1940s, and the last Rudolf Nureyev, 19 years her junior, in the 1960s and 1970s? Polishing welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
COMMENT: So much to choose from. :) Thank you Gerda. I would like to ask that when approved, before the article appears on the main page, that it be protected. The last GA I promoted which was featured on the front page had many uncited statements and edits which broke references introduced when it appeared. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 15:22, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

B&B Carousell

  • ... that the B&B Carousell, built over 100 years ago, is Coney Island's only remaining historic carousel? Sources: (1) NY Daily News. "The ride, the last of Coney's historic carousels, was set to be dismantled and auctioned off until the city stepped in and bought it for $1.8 million. It's now being painstakingly restored in an Ohio workshop." (2) NRHP nomination, PDF p. 5. "Constructed in 1906/1909, The B&B Carousell is located on the north side of the boardwalk, to the west of West 15th Street, as part of Steeplechase Plaza in the Coney Island neighborhood of the New York City borough of Brooklyn, Kings County, New York."
    • ALT1:... that the B&B Carousell's band organ is one of three of its kind in known existence? Source: NRHP nomination, p. 13. "The band organ is one of only three of its type known to exist."
    • ALT2:... that the "Carousell" in B&B Carousell's name is based on the spelling used in the catalogs of carousel builder William F. Mangels? Source: NRHP nomination, p. 13. "The spelling of the B&B Carousell with the double letter 'l' that Bishoff and Brienstein adopted was the spelling that Mangels preferred to use in his catalogs."

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 16:32, 1 August 2018 (UTC).

LeBron James Jr.

Created by Runningibis (talk). Self-nominated at 15:13, 1 August 2018 (UTC).

Leleiohoku II

Prince Leleiohoku in uniform
Prince Leleiohoku in uniform
  • ... that Prince William Pitt Leleiohoku (pictured) ruled as regent of Hawaii while his brother King Kalākaua became to the first reigning monarch to visit the United States in 1874–75?
  • Comment: If possible, use the image in the promotion.

5x expanded by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 02:21, 1 August 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 2[edit]

Gut Holzhausen

Manor house of Rittergut Holzhausen in 1860
Manor house of Rittergut Holzhausen in 1860

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC).

Fredy Hirsch

  • ... that Fredy Hirsch saved the lives of children at Auschwitz by impressing SS guards, even though he was Jewish and openly gay? Source:
  • For convincing guards to grant extra privileges to save children's lives, "Hirsch again made friends with guards who allowed the children to receive better food and to stay indoors for twice-daily roll calls."[43]
  • For openly gay, "Hirsch was a revered, openly gay Jewish youth leader who brightened the lives of kids at Theresienstadt and Auschwitz and saved many from death."[44]
  • For impressing the guards," "The fact that Hirsch came from Germany, and his self-confident manner, meant that some SS members had a certain degree of respect for him."[45]

    • ALT1:... that Fredy Hirsch gained the respect of some SS guards at Auschwitz, even though he was Jewish and openly gay?
    • ALT2: ... that, according to one account, Fredy Hirsch was poisoned by a Jewish doctor in order to prevent him from leading a uprising at Auschwitz?[46][47]
  • Reviewed: This is my third DYK nomination
  • Comment: Personally, I think that the most interesting part of Hirsch's story was how he was able to influence, negotiate with, and even gain the respect of SS guards despite the fact that he represented most of what the Nazis were violently opposed to. "Impressing" might be putting it too strongly, so I would welcome alternative wording.

5x expanded by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 20:31, 3 August 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 3[edit]

2019 United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team

  • ... that after FIBA changes limited the availability of NBA players, the U.S. men's basketball team decided to assemble rosters of primarily G League players for the 2019 World Cup qualifiers?"FIBA’s move away from a longstanding reliance on summer qualifying tournaments for its own major competitions, which more often than not ensured the availability of N.B.A. players, will now lead to numerous national teams asking players of lesser stature to get them to China." The New York Times, "Marcus Thornton scored 14 points for the U.S., which is using a roster composed primarily of G League players for the qualifying rounds." Chicago Tribune
  • Reviewed: IOU

Created by Bagumba (talk). Self-nominated at 19:46, 10 August 2018 (UTC).

Bulgarian cosmonaut program

Soyuz 33 descent module
Soyuz 33 descent module
  • Comment: Plenty of new material here, hence the many ALTs.

5x expanded by Tourbillon (talk). Self-nominated at 16:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC).

Luis Posada Carriles

Improved to Good Article status by Vanamonde93 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: It's easier to verify your hook if you include the sources on the DYK page, as recommended. Catrìona (talk) 16:08, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Approving all three hooks, but I prefer the original. Catrìona (talk) 16:08, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review. To be quite honest, I find it tiresome to put sources here, as I frequently patch together hooks from a number of different places in the article; and the reviewer is required to check that it's in the article and sourced therein anyhow, so I've never bothered. Vanamonde (talk) 18:06, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Ülo Nugis

Ülo Nugis
Ülo Nugis
  • Reviewed: Lyngsjö Church
  • Comment: Would be nice if this could be special occasion hook on 20 August at anniversary of the event.

Created by Staberinde (talk). Self-nominated at 19:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I did some copy editing and expanded the Lead. Photos and refs checked OK. An Infobox would be desirable. Otherwise, looking good so far. A possible ALT1 hook suggestion:
...that Ülo Nugis was the first Estonian politician to call for Estonia to join NATO, even while Soviet troops were still present in the Baltic nation? Source: "Estonia’s First Steps in the Direction of NATO and National Defence" JGHowes  talk 21:30, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Jordan Misja Artistic Lyceum

Created by 1l2l3k (talk). Self-nominated at 15:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 4[edit]

Matilda Etches

  • ... that Matilda Etches clothes from the 1940s were the first modern fashion items considered "key acquisitions" by London's Victoria and Albert Museum? Source: "Matilda Etches is now almost entirely forgotten except as a theatre, ballet and opera costume-maker. However, she was an extremely talented couturier, whose fashionable clothes were innovative and very carefully made. When she donated a selection of her work to the Museum in 1969, this dress and a 'Butterfly' cape (see T.185-1969) were shown to senior Museum officials as key acquisitions. They were the first modern fashion items to be accorded this honour." (and [49] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:55, 11 August 2018 (UTC).

The Little Nigar

2016 caricature of Claude Debussy
2016 caricature of Claude Debussy
  • Reviewed: to come Kratos (mythology)
  • Comment: a similar piece was described as "a caricature of a caricature", - pictured without words - for Debussy's birthday 22 August please

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC).

Jose Yao Campos

  • ... that businessman Jose Yao Campos admitted in 1986 to having organized 40 different shell companies through which Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos could hide his wealth? https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1986/03/30/the-philippines-anatomy-of-a-looting/620251dc-cffe-46f3-be40-a248f501882c/?utm_term=.d70cfe4777d5 Rusakoff 1986: “Campos, who made a fortune in the Philippine pharmaceutical industry with the help of decrees by Marcos, recently confided in a statement to the new Manila government that he organized 40 shell companies to hide Marcos' wealth.”
    • ALT1:... that Jose Yao Campos made a 1986 deal with the Philippines’ Presidential Commission on Good Government to return PhP 2.5 Billion in real estate which he held on behalf of Ferdinand Marcos? https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/in-depth/123667-marcos-cronies-compromise Lustre 2016: A friend of the dictator, Campos surrendered to the PCGG the 197 titles representing pieces of real estate property in Metro Manila, Rizal, Laguna, Cavite, Bataan and Baguio City, and P250 million ($5.3 million) in cash. The pieces of real estate property have a combined value of over P2.5 billion ($52.5 million).
    • ALT2:... that in 1986, businessman Jose Yao Campos was the first of the Cronies of Ferdinand Marcos to return what he said were Marcos-owned assets to the Philippines, in return for immunity? https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/in-depth/123667-marcos-cronies-compromise Lustre 2016: “Months after its creation in 1986, the Presidential Commission Good Government (PCGG) saw tangible results of its quest for the return of the illegal assets of the Marcoses and cronies. It negotiated the first compromise deal with crony Jose Yao Campos, a Chinese Filipino entrepreneur who owned the controlling interest of United Laboratories Inc., a major drug firm, for the return of the Marcos assets listed under his name. Campos, low key and unassuming, was probably the most cooperative among the known Marcos cronies. Unlike other cronies who chose to slug it out with the post-Marcos government, Campos cooperated fully in surrendering the Marcos assets under his name. Marcos used him mainly as caretaker of those illegal assets.”
  • Reviewed: This is only my third nomination for DYK. So I'm still excempted, although I've reviewed 2 DYKs already (Chang and Eng Bunker and Aya Hirano)
  • Comment: This would be ideal for publication on September 11, the date of birth of former Philippine Dictator Ferdiand Marcos (b, 1917).

Created by Alternativity (talk). Self-nominated at 06:12, 9 August 2018 (UTC).

Serruria elongata

Serruria elongata
Serruria elongata

5x expanded by Dwergenpaartje (talk) and Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 13:10, 8 August 2018 (UTC).

  • I'll review this. Will come back to it shortly. --1l2l3k (talk) 13:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Expanded 5x, checked by comparing status before and after expansion using the Javascript kit (it went from 726 characters to 5500+, so all good), well sourcd, neutral, no plagiarism (checked with Earwig, and found no copyvio). Hook is Ok, and I suggested an ALT1, provided that a source can be given. Pic is free and longstanding in Commons, as well as of good quality. Good to go, and thank you for the great expansion! --1l2l3k (talk) 14:27, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Evelyn Wang

Created by Eddie891 (talk) and David Eppstein (talk). Nominated by David Eppstein (talk) at 20:58, 6 August 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 5[edit]

Mein Gott, wie schön ist deine Welt

Cover of Kirchenlied
Cover of Kirchenlied

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:44, 12 August 2018 (UTC).

Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister of India

  • Reviewed: Third nomination; no need review.
  • Comment: Can the reviewer give me a bit of time after passing this nomination? As these type of articles in the region (South Asia) don't have a lot of coverage on Wikipedia and have a lot of redlinks, if one can be so kind as to give me a bit of time to cover these redlinks, I would be extremely obliged.
    Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 14:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Created by SshibumXZ (talk). Self-nominated at 14:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC).

  • I originally had this nomination named {{Did you know nominations/Principal Secretary to the Prime Minnister of India}} instead of {{Did you know nominations/Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister of India}}; sorry for that!
    Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 03:08, 11 August 2018 (UTC); edited; 20:17, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Competition elements in ice dance

A reverse rotational lift, performed by Canadians Federica Faiella and Massimo Scali
A reverse rotational lift, performed by Canadians Federica Faiella and Massimo Scali

Created by Figureskatingfan (talk). Self-nominated at 22:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg

New and long enough, within policy, QPQ done, Earwig finds no copyvios. Normally an article should have more secondary sources, but given the topic I think it's okay for DYK. According to the source, a woman lifting a man is a "reverse lift", not a "rotational lift"; the hook and article need to be corrected. Antony–22

(talkcontribs) 23:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) These are minor but, the proper hook format starts with an ellipsis (...) rather than the words "did you know", and there were some capitalization issues in the hooks above. User:Mandarax just fixed them before I could. :-) Also, the hooks could be shortened. I'd suggest the following. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 00:03, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Guys, thanks for the catches and for the fixes. It's been a while since I've done anything here at DYK, so I'm a little rusty. I appreciate your patience with me. I promise to do better next time. I'm good with either hook, although I prefer the 1st one, since it comes with a cool image. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
* ALT0b: ... that there are no rules against reverse rotational lifts, in which the woman lifts the man, as competition elements in ice dance?
* ALT1b: ... that lying on the ice is an illegal competition element in ice dance?
Thanks, Antony-22. Thanks for understanding about the primary sources; without them, which are really the best sources to use for figure skating, we'd have no articles because...well, figure skating isn't written about much in the press, and when it is (during the Olympics), they don't go into the kind of depth necessary for encyclopedia articles. Speaking of, the ISU calls this lift a rotational lift, but many newspaper reports call them reverse lifts. Perhaps at one point that was the technical term, but currently the correct term is rotational lift. I chose to use the correct term rather than depend upon the source's description, which is incorrect. The other thing that often happens with figure skating writing is that reporters use the more popular term rather than the correct, technical one. For those reasons, I ask that the hook stand as is. If you like, we can hook 2 to keep things simple.Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:03, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
@Figureskatingfan: Can you point to a reference where it's referred to as a rotational lift? From the cited source, I get the feeling that "rotational lift" means a lift where the dancers are rotating. But, as you said, it could be an unreliable source. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 05:08, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
I did some more looking around, and I wasn't entirely accurate. It's both; the correct term should be a reverse rotational lift. Changing hook now. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:43, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Poverty in the Democratic Republic of the Congo

  • Reviewed: This is my fourth DYK nom.
  • Comment: I approved the article 5 August via AfC.

Created by Dr Jones Jr (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 03:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC).

Claudio Gomes

  • ... that Manchester City player Claudio Gomes has been nicknamed "N'Golo Kanté" for his similarity to another French midfielder? Source: "Gomes is nicknamed "N'Golo Kanté" by his teammates, who liken him to the French international midfielder for his efforts in recovering the ball.[2]" Le Populaire: "« Mes coéquipiers m'ont surnommé Ngolo Kanté car je ne suis pas avare d'efforts. J'ai une grande capacité à récupérer des ballons ». "My teammates nicknamed me N'Golo Kanté because I'm not short of effort. I have a great capacity for recovering balls"

Created by Harambe Walks (talk). Self-nominated at 23:07, 5 August 2018 (UTC).

History of the Jews in Alaska

  • ... that ...in 1906 and during the early 1940s, Alaska was strongly considered as a potential Jewish settlement for jewish people escaping persecution in Europe/Russia? Source: Anchorage Daily News (in article)], Jewish Social Studies. Indiana University Press (in article)]

ALT1: ... that in 1906 and during the early 1940s, Alaska was considered as a potential refuge for Jews escaping pogroms and the Holocaust? Source: Anchorage Daily News (in article)], Jewish Social Studies. Indiana University Press (in article)]

Created/expanded by Zchai72 (talk). Nominated by JC7V7DC5768 (talk) at 22:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Typos, article not linked
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Catrìona (talk) 16:17, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the suggestion. I've added the ALT1, and I will soon fix the other issues. JC7V-constructive zone 18:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

And I now fixed the rest, thanks for the help. JC7V-constructive zone 18:26, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I added what you suggested as an 'alt 1', I would like to use that as the hook. JC7V-constructive zone 20:16, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 6[edit]

Claus Leininger

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 13 August 2018 (UTC).

MIT Guyot

  • Comment: QPQ pending.

Moved to mainspace by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 14:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC).

  • See the review below

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: New article with sufficient characters, very well sourcd, neutral, no plagiarism (checked with Earwig, and found copyvio unlikely). Hook is Ok and AGF'd the source, which is not online (it's a research that needs to be purchased, but can be double checked easily in this other source. Good to go, and thank you for this article! --1l2l3k (talk) 19:39, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

1l2l3k Template:Did you know nominations/Ramiz Kovaçi is the QPQ. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:19, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Murder of the family of Robert Einstein

Created by Turismond (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 18:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment: @Turismond: I like your ALT but it looks like you mistyped the date. It was actually 13 July 1945. I've proposed a third alt with the correct date. Catrìona (talk) 13:00, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Pets of Imran Khan

Imran Khan
Imran Khan

Created by Saqib (talk). Self-nominated at 08:45, 8 August 2018 (UTC).

  • I would prefer something along the lines of the second blurb. The third one is an allegation, while the first one is a news item on the subject itself. Mar4d (talk) 10:33, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
I think I can agree with you.. for the same reason I put forward a couple of options to go with. Saqib (talk) 17:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Note: DYK rules require that an image used with a hook must be present in the article. This image currently does not appear in the article. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:43, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment — The first one is too meta for my taste; the other two are great hooks, though. I have improved them a little bit by making them compliant with MOS:JOBTITLES; feel free to revert. Also, from the looks of it, the sources are at least semi-reliable and there are no plagiarism, copyvio or other concerns with this one.
    Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 20:30, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Side note — I also added a line about Reham Khan being Imran Khan's second spouse, feel free to revert that too.
    Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 20:30, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 7[edit]

Lula Mysz-Gmeiner

Lula Mysz-Gmeiner, before 1904
Lula Mysz-Gmeiner, before 1904

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:52, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

Kimberley death adder

  • ... that one team of researchers named the Kimberley death adder in honour of Burt Lancaster? Source pp 43-44
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting, but a bit confusing for someone not familiar with the topic. I read that it was named after Lancaster, but don't see how. Is it just me? Should it be in the hook? - Certainly the ref should appear right behind the fact in the article, not only in the nom ;) - Thank you for reviewing the theatre, - for your request there, I will have to research, not only translate, - patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Murder of April Tinsley

  • ... that the man who murdered April Tinsley in 1988 left four threatening notes, with used condoms and nude Polaroid pictures, on girls' bicycles and in a mailbox in 2004? Source: "In 2004, four notes were left at homes scattered across the Fort Wayne area. Three of the messages — written on lined yellow paper — were placed on young girls’s bicycles. An additional note was put in a mailbox. Three of the messages were inside plastic bags with used condoms and Polaroid pictures of the sender’s nude lower body."

Created by FallingGravity (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 9 August 2018 (UTC).

Women in Iceland

Created/expanded by Yellow.Umbrella (talk), Ipigott (talk), and Frayae (talk). Nominated by Frayae (talk) at 22:58, 7 August 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 8[edit]


  • ... that a drug derived from bacteria that cause acne is being studied to treat multiple sclerosis and cancer? "Propionibacterium acnes is a major inhabitant of adult human skin, where it resides within sebaceous follicles, usually as a harmless commensal although it has been implicated in acne vulgaris formation." [58] "Propionibacterium acnes was modified using biochemical extraction methods generating a suspension of microparticles (MIS416)"[59] "23 Mar 2018 Preclinical development for cancer is ongoing in New Zealand; 23 Mar 2018 Discontinued - Phase-II for Multiple sclerosis in New Zealand, Australia (IV)"[60]
    • ALT1:... that ...?
  • Reviewed: Haven't submitted 5 DYKs

Created/expanded by Natureium (talk). Self-nominated at 01:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Working Definition of Antisemitism

  • ... that the inter-governmental Working Definition of Antisemitism has generated controversy over its inclusion of examples of criticism of Israel...? Source: Kenneth L. Marcus (17 July 2015). The Definition of Anti-Semitism. Oxford University Press. pp. 21–22. ISBN 978-0-19-937565-3. At the same time, the Working Definition has had its share of critics, as should be expected of any serious intergovernmental effort to address this difficult subject. In 2011, the United Kingdom's University and College Union (UCU), a trade union of English university professors, considered a motion to disassociate itself from the EUMC definition... based on a belief that it "confuses criticism of Israeli government policy and actions with genuine anti-Semitism"... This triggered a lively controversy that engulfed not only the English academic and Jewish communities, but also Jewish, human rights, and higher education groups throughout Europe and Worldwide. In the United States, the meaning and application of the Working Definition have been contested even among those who support it. In 2011, Kenneth Stern, who was then the top anti-Semitism expert at the American Jewish Committee, drew intense criticism when he... argued that the Working Definition was being invoked by complainants in federal civil rights cases before the United States Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) to censor speech that is critical of Israel. 

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 11:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Created 8 August from redirect. Other creator not mentioned in the nom: Jonney2000. If/when this is promoted, I recommend page protection as this is a controversial topic. I cannot find NPOV in the article, though. Catrìona (talk) 16:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Catrìona: thanks for your review. I have now added the inline citations for the direct quotations. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment - the hook is not neutral. The IHRA's definition is generally accepted by most in the field. What has generated controversy is UK's Labour fiddling with the examples provided by the IHRA for antisemitism. The controversy is Labour - as might be seen in Antisemitism in the UK Labour Party‎. Some of Labour's supporters have been critics of some points in IHRA - but that has been following the controversy. The citation used to support the hook is used out of context - it refers to a controversy involving the UCU, long accused of antisemitism, which attempted to change the definition of antisemitism (in relation the IHRA definition). The controversies here, if at all, are around groups accused of antisemitism who attempt to change the definitions used.Icewhiz (talk) 20:03, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
The citation refers to the 2011 UCU controversy in the UK and the 2011 AAUP-AJC controversy in the US.[61] You have kindly mentioned the 2018 Labour Party controversy in the UK. I could also add the 2016-18 controversy in congress regarding the proposed Anti-Semitism Awareness Act.[62] That’s already four separate controversies in two countries. The article contains further examples, and more could be added as necessary. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Here are two further sources: Professor David Feldman, Sub-Report for the Parliamentary Committee Against Antisemitism, 1 January 2015, page 4: "However, the definition itself rapidly became a topic of controversy rather than consensus. The points at issue included what the status of a 'working definition' actually was, whether the working definition was an effective and coherent definition at all, and, finally, controversy dogged the application of the working definition to debate on the State of Israel and its policies. The criticisms have been damaging and the EUMC working definition largely has fallen out of favour."; and The Times of Israel, [63] "Koren’s statement came as confirmation to reports, including by the president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, Jonathan Arkush, that Russia was the only country blocking the adoption of the definition, which is controversial because it lists some forms of hate speech on Israel as an example of anti-Semitism."
Onceinawhile (talk) 07:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Looking at the article again, I notice that it has a "Criticism" section but not a section for its supporters. For such a controversial topic, we should avoid even the appearance of partiality. I don't have enough knowledge of the subject to determine if the hook and/or the article are impartial, so I'm requesting a second opinion on NPOV. Catrìona (talk) 11:51, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Leasowe Lighthouse

  • ... that Leasowe Lighthouse had the only known female lighthouse keeper of its period?
    • The ref is [64] which says The lighthouse was operational until 14 July 1908, with the only known female lighthouse keeper in those days, a Mrs. Williams , also this ref [65] says 'The lighthouse was operational until 14 July 1908, with the only known female lighthouse keeper in those days, a Mrs. Williams.
    • ALT1:... that Leasowe Lighthouse had the only known female lighthouse keeper when it ceased operating in 1908?
    • ALT2:... that in 1908 when it ceased operations, Leasowe Lighthouse had the only known female lighthouse keeper?
    • ALT3:... that when it ceased operating Leasowe Lighthouse had a female lighthouse keeper?
    • ALT4:... that in 1908 Leasowe Lighthouse had the only known female lighthouse keeper?
  • I'd like the pic to be considered. This was a redirect from 2006.
    I've just increased the pics light level.

Created by Szzuk (talk). Self-nominated at 11:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I confess that's not my favourite source, and I wonder whether you could give a bit more of a reference to the "period" referred to in the hook? Josh Milburn (talk) 09:25, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • I think this is a better ref? [66] it says In the 1890s, the Williamses, a husband and wife, moved from the Great Orme Lighthouse in Llandudno, and Mr. Williams was appointed the lightkeeper of Leasowe. After he became ill, his wife assumed his duties. After her husband’s death, the owners of the lighthouse, Mersey Docks and Harbour Board, appointed her the official lighthouse keeper. At the time, she was Britain’s only female lighthouse keeper. This ref [67] says The lighthouse was operational until 14 July 1908, with the only known female lighthouse keeper in those days, a Mrs. Williams.
  • They're still not fantastic, but I think I'm happy with them. Do you think you'd be able to rework the hook a little? Josh Milburn (talk) 11:49, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • I added ALT1 to ALT4. Szzuk (talk) 15:36, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix and Google

Created by WurmWoode (talk). Nominated by Mailer diablo (talk) at 13:37, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on August 9[edit]

Lometa Odom

Created by Krelnik (talk). Self-nominated at 02:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

Walter Renneisen

  • ... that the actor Walter Renneisen showed Patrick Süßkin'd one-person-play Der Kontrabaß (The Double Bass) in his own touring production? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Long March (South Sudan)

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 08:04, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 10[edit]

Cocoi heron

Cocoi heron
Cocoi heron
  • ... that the Cocoi heron (pictured) is the largest heron in South America? Source offline

5x expanded by Mrp523 (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 14:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

Milton Griepp

Created by Stoshmaster (talk) and Argento Surfer (talk). Nominated by Argento Surfer (talk) at 20:56, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

Mulshankar Mulani

  • ... that the Gujarati playwright Mulshankar Mulani wrote a play on a youth who was devastated due to his attraction to the western world? Source: Choksi, Mahesh; Somani, Dhirendra, eds. (2004). ગુજરાતી રંગભૂમિ: રિદ્ધિ અને રોનક (Gujarati Rangbhoomi: Riddhi Ane Ronak) [Compilation of Information regarding professional theatre of Gujarat]. Ahmedabad: Gujarat Vishwakosh Trust. pp. 117–119.

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 06:59, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg. Thank you. New enough, copyvio 0%, long enough. In-line citations present. AGF with sources.
  • I reworded a little. I think we can make it read better. I'll look again later.
  • The life section could be divided possibly (early life, career etc).
  • I assume "weekly" means a weekly newspaper.
  • Is there another way of explaining 'failure' and 'hit? ie. failure because didn't achieve good reviews or because didn't bring in revenue.
  • "he wrote Barrister (1897) which was a play about a youth who was devastated due to his attraction to the western world."....might be helpful to expand and explain.
  • QPQ needed and I otherwise prefer ALT1 or even shorter ALT2. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Delfina Gómez Álvarez

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 05:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC).

Jaime Bonilla Valdez

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:26, 11 August 2018 (UTC).

Lafargue Clinic

  • ... that in 1948, authors Ralph Ellison and Richard Wright helped establish the Lafargue Clinic, a New York City psychiatric clinic that was one of the first to provide services to black patients? Source: Reibman, James E. (2001). "Ralph Ellison, Fredric Wertham, M.D., and the Lafargue Clinic: Civil Rights and Psychiatric Services in Harlem". Oklahoma City University Law Review. 26: 1041–1055
    • ALT1:... that Fredric Wertham, who became one of the most famous critics of comic books, helped to establish the Lafargue Clinic, one of the first psychiatric clinics that served black patients? Source: Martin, Ralph G. (June 3, 1946). "Doctor's Dream Comes to Harlem". New Republic.
    • ALT2:... that the Lafargue Clinic, one of the first clinics to provide psychiatric services to black patients, was named after Paul Lafargue, French Marxist and son-in-law of Karl Marx? Source: Doyle, Dennis (2009). "'Where the Need Is Greatest': Social Psychiatry and Race-Blind Universalism in Harlem's Lafargue Clinic, 1946–1958". Bulletin of the History of Medicine. 83 (4): 746–74.
  • Comment: This is my first DYK, please let me know if I missed a box to check, so to speak.

Moved to mainspace by Etzedek24 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:48, 10 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Etzedek24, it's all good--well done. I prefer the first hook you wrote, though I think you should consider sticking a date in there. I'm sure you know that racism no longer exists in America, and hasn't existed here for so long (except for that 8-year interval we're trying to undo) that people might not know this is a Big Deal. So you could insert "1946-1958" in parentheses, for instance, and I think you should stick in "New York City" too--"black patients" were probably served in clinics and hospitals elsewhere in the world. It's a wonderful article and I hope you get lots of page views for it. Drmies (talk) 01:04, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 11[edit]

Jacob Masters

Moved to mainspace by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 13 August 2018 (UTC).

Dinesh Wadiwel

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self-nominated at 09:03, 12 August 2018 (UTC).

Cruz Pérez Cuéllar

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 00:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC).

Orchard Beach (Bronx)

  • Reviewed: Will add a review credit later
  • Comment: I will be on vacation until the end of August. I'll also add an extra alt hook later.

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 12:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting substantial article, on plenty of good sources. I think the original - with orchard and riviera - is too harmless, and am not keen on "convert". How about something about the sand from somewhere else, more than once, for those who don't know? Will wait for qpq also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the review. I'll try to get a QPQ done, but I might not get to it until the end of this month, because I'm still on vacation. How about this alt hook: epicgenius (talk) 03:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 12[edit]

Arrowe Country Park

  • ... that Arrowe Country Park originated from wealth earned from the slave trade?
    This ref on page 5 says [68] The shape of Arrowe Country Park as we know it today really began in 1800 when the then Mayor of Liverpool, John Shaw bought the land. He had made his fortune from supplying his ships for the slave trade.
    • ALT1:... that the shape of Arrowe Country Park began in 1800 when the then Mayor of Liverpool, John Shaw, bought the land with money earned in the slave trade.
    • ALT2 ...that Arrowe Country Park was landscaped by John Ralph Shaw, a magistrate, who installed mantraps and spring-loaded shotguns to deter trespassers on his estate ?
      This ref [69] says There is also documentation to show that Mr Shaw placed traps around his land to catch the poachers, some of which included spring activated shot guns ! and this ref [70] says John Ralph Shaw was a magistrate and was very hard on any trespassers or poachers who were brought before him. On the Estate at Arrowe, to ensure people did not stray from the public footpath that crossed his lands, he installed ‘mantraps’ and ‘spring-loaded shotguns’ this ref on page 5 says [71] John Ralph Shaw who was responsible for landscaping the park and building Arrowe Hall in 1835.

Created/expanded by Szzuk (talk). Self-nominated at 21:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC).

  • @Szzuk: You have not specified a hook. Raymie (tc) 21:35, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Padule di Fucecchio massacre

Created by Turismond (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 03:11, 12 August 2018 (UTC).

Bob Wood (comics)

  • ... that Bob Wood, who co-created the comic Crime Does Not Pay, served three years in prison for manslaughter? Source: "Simon, Joe; Simon, Jim (2003). The Comic Book Makers. Vanguard Productions. pp. 167–168. ISBN 9781887591355"
    • ALT1:... that Crime Does Not Pay co-creator Bob Wood served three years in prison for murdering a woman in his hotel room? ...? Source: Simon, Joe; Simon, Jim (2003). The Comic Book Makers. Vanguard Productions. pp. 167–168. ISBN 9781887591355.
  • Reviewed: Exempt. Less than 5 DYKs.

Created by Etzedek24 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 13 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Not a review, but just a note that you can't say "murdering a women" in ALT1 if he was convicted of manslaughter. Saying "killing a woman" is acceptable, I think - Dumelow (talk) 09:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Also not a review, but you need to disambiguate to Crime Does Not Pay (comics) Catrìona (talk) 16:20, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Ah yes, I noticed that but forgot to do it before I signed off last night. Appreciate it. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 01:42, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

James T. Mullen

5x expanded by BrianCUA (talk). Nominated by Briancua (talk) at 01:49, 13 August 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 13[edit]

Vienna porcelain

1790s Vienna porcelain
1790s Vienna porcelain
  • ... that exports of Vienna porcelain to the Ottoman Empire reached 120,000 pieces a year in the 18th century? Source: "...the trade with the East reached 120,000 pieces annually... Battie, 96
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: coming

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 23:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Graham Stack (surgeon)

  • ... that surgeon Graham Stack advocated naming the fingers of the hand, rather than numbering them, in order to avoid surgical errors.

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 17:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

Mark Aubry

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 14:21, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

Lorena Cuéllar Cisneros

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

Matt Mobley

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self-nominated at 15:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. Who is this Rene Castro? Not sure that earned Second-team All-Northeast Conference honors. is supported by the source. He finished fourth in the conference in scoring with 18.5 points per game while leading all of Division 1 in minutes per game with 38.3. may be too close to the source text. Not sure that source #6 supports Prior to the 2018 NBA draft, Mobley worked out with NBA teams Brooklyn Nets, Charlotte Hornets, Los Angeles Lakers, Utah Jazz, Sacramento Kings and Philadelphia 76ers. What's the source for his size and weight? Hook reasomably sourced, not particularly interesting though unless you know about American sports. No copyvio or plagiarism although some close paraphrasing concerns. OK QPQ. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Just a suggestion that the sport should be named in the hook and Three-point field goal should be linked. Otherwise it is pretty meaningless to those that don't know basketball - Dumelow (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Rene Castro was one of his teammates in high school, it's not that important. The second team honors is supported in the source, check again. Added "basketball" to the hook. Let me know of close paraphrasing and I will fix it. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 18:13, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
It's only the sentence I quoted which has close paraphrasing problems, seems like. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:35, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Marcus Macrinius Avitus Catonius Vindex

  • ... that Marcus Macrinius Avitus Catonius Vindex may be the only Roman consul to have come from Roman Britain? "It is right to mention the possibility, however remote, that three prominent generals of the later Antonine period may have been natives of Colchester ... and the two Macrini Vindices. All three were enrolled in the tribus Claudia, to whch Camulodunum belonged. ...the younger Macrinus served as equestrians officers in Britain early in their career ... and in any case, the nomenclature Macrinius Vindex suggests origin in a Celtic region." -- Anthony Birley, The People of Roman Britain (Berkeley: University of California, 1979), pp. 116f

Created by Llywrch (talk). Self-nominated at 20:38, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Reviewed: in process

Articles created/expanded on August 14[edit]

Diede de Groot

  • Reviewed: Currently have 3 DYKS, so no QPQ yet.

Moved to mainspace by MrLinkinPark333 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

Bangladesh Drug War

Created/expanded by Kaisernahid (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 02:16, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Thanks Catrìona. How about the following DYK hook?
  • ALT3:... that most of the killings of Bangladesh anti-drugs campaign followed a common script: alleged drug dealers died in “gunfights”, usually at night, and weapons and drugs were recovered near the dead body?[78]

Kaisernahid (talk) 05:25, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

  • I like ALT3, here are some tweaks:
ALT4:... that in most of the killings of the Bangladesh anti-drugs campaign, the alleged drug dealer was shot at night and weapons and drugs were found near the body?[79] Catrìona (talk) 16:01, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
  • I prefer ALT4 the most. Thanks. Kaisernahid (talk) 16:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Max Steiner

  • ... that Max Steiner was often criticized for his excessive use of mickey-mousing in his film scores? Source: Cook, Mervyn, ed. The Hollywood Music Reader, p.56
    • ALT1:... that George Lucas instructed John Williams to base the Star Wars film score on the works of Max Steiner? Source:[80]
    • ALT2:... that in his youth Max Steiner studied under composers such as Mahler, Weingartner and Eysler? Source: Daubney, Kate Max Steiner's 'Now, Voyager' :A Film Score Guide, p.2

Improved to Good Article status by Skyes(BYU) (talk) and Light show (talk). Nominated by Skyes(BYU) (talk) at 21:48, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Ernst Königsgarten

Created by Nicola (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 05:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC).


Created by JGHowes (talk). Self-nominated at 02:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Alexander Polycleitos Cawadias

5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 23:39, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

United States Lifesaving Association

Created/expanded by Mifter (talk). Self-nominated at 23:30, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

David Green (civil engineer)

  • Reviewed: to follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 16:03, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

Palembang Light Rail Transit

  • Comment: I'm using my 4th DYKN credit as none of my QPQs have been in the main page. 5x expanded from here (~800 to ~5000 prose).

5x expanded by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 12:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The hook is not cited in the article. All the other criteria have been met, though, so once the inline citation is in place it should be good to go. --BrianCUA (talk) 01:30, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @BrianCUA: what do you mean? There's the citation with the same source in the "Construction and costs" section: 'Operations for the LRT started on 1 August several days before the Jakarta LRT began operations, making it the first operational LRT system in the country. The final value of the contract was Rp 10.9 trillion (USD 755 million).[10]' Juxlos (talk) 02:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
The citation is on the sentence about the cost, not the sentence about it being first. I didn't know that one reference was supposed to cover both sentences. --BrianCUA (talk) 17:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@BrianCUA: I just have a preference against citing the same citation twice for two consecutive sentences. Juxlos (talk) 23:31, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Ethan Sonneborn

Created by BrianCUA (talk). Nominated by Briancua (talk) at 01:34, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I would include his age in the hook. Earwig's is down so I'll check copyvio later. Catrìona (talk) 20:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Added. --BrianCUA (talk) 02:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Proposing a slight rewording. Readers in most places will understand that 14 is too young to vote. Catrìona (talk) 02:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg ALT1 ... that Ethan Sonneborn ran for governor of Vermont at the age of 14?
This isn't bad, but I prefer the original. --BrianCUA (talk) 11:46, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 15[edit]

IFK Kristianstad

  • ... that IFK Kristianstad qualified for the knockout stage of the EHF Champions League for the first time in 2017–18? Source: "IFK Kristianstad lyckades (...) och är för första gången hittills vidare till åttondelsfinal i handbollens Champions League (translation: IFK Kristianstad succeeded (...) and are for the first time so far through to the eighth-finals of the handball Champions League." [81]

Improved to Good Article status by BlueSwede92 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

IranPride Day

Poster for IranPride
Poster for IranPride
  • ... that despite homosexuality being punishable by death, Iranian activists celebrate IranPride Day (pictured) by taking pictures of themselves holding rainbow flags in public locations around Tehran? [82]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by RahamRaf (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 15:36, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

Plachimada Coca-Cola Struggle

  • Reviewed: Ronald Smelser
  • Comment: Alternate suggestions more than welcome!

Created by Siglak (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 14:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC).


  • ... that the 2018 animated film Seder-Masochism was said to turn parts of The Exodus "into Busby Berkeley-style song-and-dance numbers"? Source: "...a movie that mostly has lots of fun depicting the plight of Moses and his people, with the different stages of the Exodus — the burning bush, the Ten Commandments, the plagues, the parting of the Red Sea — transformed into Busby Berkeley-style song-and-dance numbers..."[85]

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self-nominated at 02:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

Hypericum punctatum

  • ... that Hypericum punctatum is prone to haploid number irregularities? Source: "...often irregularities occur so that the chromosome complements, at the time of the second metaphase, instead of having the usual haploid number of eight have seven and nine." Hoar, Carl Sherman (1931). "Meiosis in Hypericum punctatum". Botanical Gazette. The University of Chicago Press. 92 (4): 396–406.
    • ALT1:... that though caterpillars often feed on the leaves of Hypericum punctatum, the foliage is toxic to mammals? Source: "...caterpillars of the moth Nedra ramosula (Gray Half-spot) feed on the foliage. Mammalian herbivores usually don't consume this plant because the leaves contain hypericin - a photosensitive toxin." Dr. John Hilty (2017). "Spotted St. John's Wort". Illinois Wildflowers. Retrieved 15 August 2018.

Created by Pagliaccious (talk). Self-nominated at 23:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Herbert R. Spencer

  • Reviewed: To be done

5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk) and Scope creep (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 21:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Vincent van Gogh (Russell painting)

John Peter Russell, Vincent van Gogh, 1886, Van Gogh Museum
John Peter Russell, Vincent van Gogh, 1886, Van Gogh Museum

Created by HappyWaldo (talk). Self-nominated at 05:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

SpongeBob SquarePants (season 9)

  • ... that SpongeBob SquarePants (season 9) is the longest-running season of SpongeBob SquarePants, airing for four and a half years? Source: "A total of 26 episodes were produced for the season, bringing the number of episodes up to 204. The ninth season is the longest-running season of SpongeBob SquarePants, airing for four and a half years."
    • ALT1:... that SpongeBob SquarePants (season 9) lasted for four and a half years with the first half before the movie Sponge Out of Water, and the second half after the movie? Source: "The show was halted halfway through its ninth season due to working on The SpongeBob Movie: Sponge Out of Water. Once production on Sponge Out of Water concluded, production on the ninth season resumed to finish the season after a year-long hiatus."
  • Comment: Article passed as a Good Article on August 15th.

Improved to Good Article status by AmericanAir88 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 16[edit]

Munafri Arifuddin

  • Reviewed: final (5th) DYK credit as my reviews aren't main paged yet.
  • Comment: I'm fairly sure this is a world first but I have no source backing it.

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 17:36, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

Big Tips Texas, Redneck Heaven

Waitress from Redneck Heaven wearing typical uniform
Waitress from Redneck Heaven wearing typical uniform
  • ... that Big Tips Texas featured scantily clad waitresses (example pictured) from Redneck Heaven, a restaurant whose body-paint events led to nudity law changes in at least three Texas cities? Source: "The fallout from Redneck Heaven's Anything But Clothes day continues to ripple through North Texas. First came the crackdown in Lewisville...Next came Fort Worth...North Richland Hills, which boasts a Hooters, recently excluded "paints, tattoos, latex and dyes" from its official definition of "opaque covering"...Tonight, it's Cedar Hill's turn." Dallas Observer

Created/expanded by IronGargoyle (talk). Self-nominated at 14:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC).

Special occasion holding area[edit]

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  1. ^ Kauffman, Christopher J. (1982). Faith and Fraternalism: The History of the Knights of Columbus, 1882–1982. Harper and Row. p. 18. ISBN 978-0-06-014940-6. 
  2. ^ Kauffman, Christopher J. (1982). Faith and Fraternalism: The History of the Knights of Columbus, 1882–1982. Harper and Row. p. 61. ISBN 978-0-06-014940-6.