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Moved from Talk:Main Page: — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Story on British General Election:

Should read - The Conservative Party, led by Boris Johnson (pictured), wins a majority of seats in the UK general election.

Conservative Party is singular, and so wins, not win. Don't have editing rights I'm afraid. Kilbosh (talk) 16:32, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Not in the UK. In British English, notional agreement is favored, so since the Conservative Party consists of a group of people, we use the form of the verb that goes with plural nouns, "win". This may or may not be true in other varieties of English. But it is correct here. See WP:ENGVAR for more information. --Jayron32 17:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Nothing is favored in British English. DuncanHill (talk) 17:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
(ec) @Jayron32: Writing as a life-long British English speaker, I'm afraid you're wrong. We do say "the Conservatives ... win", (they are a group) but adding "Party" renders the subject singular. Take a look at [1] ("Northern Ireland's SDLP has two."), [2] "The Brexit Party has expelled...", and [3] "The Conservative Party has won...". Bazza (talk) 17:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
All I know, @Bazza 7:, is the second this is changed, someone ELSE will come along and make the exact claim you have, except in the other direction. I'll let you all sort this out, except to say that the most important point, which is perhaps the one I should have made, is there isn't a clear right answer, so it's not worth changing it, lest someone else comes along and claims to be more right than you are. I will defer to you, except to note the fruitlessness of the change in the end. --Jayron32 17:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
As a Brit, I agree with Bazza and disagree with Jayron32. I don't recognise any sense in which the Conservative Party is a collection of entities; it is simply singular. Jmchutchinson (talk) 19:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
As a Brit, I agree with Jayron32 and disagree with Bazza. It is perfectly acceptable to use win here. It would perhaps be better to recast the sentence as "The Conservatives, led by... win a majority" to avoid this sort of thing. DuncanHill (talk) 20:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
It is immaterial whether or not there are differing opinions, and who is right or wrong - the article it links to (rightly) refers to the Conservative Party in the singular and so the referring headline should do the same. Kilbosh (talk) 19:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
I tend to side with the references I gave above (and had to find just to reassure myself), but we can all be satisfied if we go with @DuncanHill:'s sensible suggestion above: "The Conservatives, led by... win a majority". Bazza (talk) 21:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
And so changed. Stephen 22:15, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Satisfactory for all - thanks. Kilbosh (talk) 22:50, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  • May or may not be an error: the article is at 2019 Samoa measles outbreak (Samoa, noun), but ITN has Samoan measles outbreak (Samoan, adjective). I believe that the ITN link should ideally match the article title. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 23:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Ongoing: I believe the inquiry phase of the impeachment process has ended. I suppose this should be brought up at ITN:C but I don't know my way around there. —⁠184.248.200.93 (talk) 02:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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Should you add a cascade protected symbol to the top right of the page? I am RedoStone (talk)

Not really needed - the "edit" control should already be removed. — xaosflux Talk 20:34, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Would the cascade-protected top icon even show up with the code at the top of MediaWiki:Vector.css that hides the title of the Main Page, any links when you are redirected to the page, basically hide that general area at the top? Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:09, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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article is off the main page. Changes to the article in question can be discussed on that article's talk page. --Jayron32 15:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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Thrusting the word "SLUT" onto the main page, regardless of context, seems a bit callous and insensitive. 107.72.178.122 (talk) 14:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Callous and insensitive to whom?-- P-K3 (talk) 14:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Isn't it obvious? 107.72.178.122 (talk) 16:54, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
No, because it is about a nickname for a transit line, nothing inappropriate. However, if you don't like what appears on the Main Page for any reason, you are welcome to participate in the processes that determine that. 331dot (talk) 17:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Consider me participating it right now. The top of this page states it is for discussing the contents of the main page, which I am. The inclusion of this acronym in the featured article section of the main page does not add anything to the benefit of the reader, and at worst, is an ugly and derisive word. We don't need it there. 107.72.178.122 (talk) 19:09, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I agree with the IP. The only two sources to "SLUT" in the article are from 2007 referencing a local coffee house that sold 100 t-shirts with "SLUT" on them. Does that need to be in the lead of the article? (Hint: no, it doesn't). Even worse, "Slut" actually redirects to this article, rather than Slut (disambiguation). It's pretty pathetic, frankly. Black Kite (talk) 19:17, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
No it doesn't (redirect). Check Slut and SLUT. Bazza (talk) 19:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
The "SLUT" thing appears to have been the basis for a April Fool's Day DYK, and it seems to have been a bit of an issue there too. Pinging User:SounderBruce in case they haven't seen this.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:32, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I agree that this sentence could be removed per WP:UNDUE — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:42, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
To be honest, I'd have removed it if I'd seen it this morning (UTC). There's no point now. But yeah, another day of proving the point that Wikipedia is heavily edited by people who have issues with women. It's sad, really. Black Kite (talk) 23:46, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
That's a strong accusation of bad faith. The word itself is being gradually reclaimed by women activists (see SlutWalk for example) and doesn't have such a loaded meaning. Seattle is the kind of town that can't name its transit line certain colors (because of similarity to redlining), but still embraces the SLUT nickname, which is also mentioned in post-opening sources (USA Today in 2013, HistoryLink, Evergrey in 2018). It is a valid part of the streetcar's cohesion with the city and is frequently used in place of its official name in conversation. SounderBruce 03:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Slut is generally a term for a woman or girl who is considered .... The word slut means different things to white women and people of color, especially black women. Slut has different ... Slut-shaming The Ethical Slut Slut (disambiguation) SlutWalk Slut-shaming is the practice of criticizing people, especially women and girls, who are perceived to violate expectations of behavior and appearance regarding issues related to sexuality. The term is used to reclaim the word slut and empower women and girls to have agency over their own sexuality. It may also be used in reference to gay men, who may face disapproval for sexual behaviors considered promiscuous. Slut-shaming rarely happens to heterosexual men. The Ethical Slut: A Guide to Infinite Sexual Possibilities is an English non-fiction book by Dossie Easton and Janet Hardy (given as pseudonym Catherine A. Liszt for the book's first edition in 1997). Radhedash (talk) 08:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


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1937 – Second Sino-Japanese War: Japanese forces captured Nanking in China and then began to commit numerous atrocities over the next several weeks.

That should be Japanese forces captured Nanking in China and then committed numerous atrocities over the next several weeks. -Chumchum7 (talk) 09:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)